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July 22 2008

More from Joss on Dollhouse's new first episode. As told to TV Barn last Friday.

Sounds like the MP3 file cuts out towards the end but there's some interesting talk to be had.

Simon | 18:01 CET | 25 comments total | tags: joss whedon, dollhouse

He likes the word "sideways".

EDIT: I don't like "simple". I'd rather take several episodes to cover the intro. I guess we should blame short attention spans (of which I'm guilty) and the need for complete first impressions.

[ edited by TheGamut on 2008-07-22 19:00 ]

TheGamut | July 22, 18:58 CET

He's the Operative. Explains his need to kill. ;)

hacksaway | July 22, 19:00 CET

After viewing the trailer (again), I find that I am un-expectedly, romantically, chemically in love with Dollhouse. (and Joss Whedon, but that was a given :)

korkster | July 22, 19:09 CET

The little flick of Ms Williams' head when she says "unexpected" ? That's where I took the big fall ;).

There's a lot of 'I' in the MP3 snippet and that's a good sign to me, it really seems like a lot of the impetus came from Joss (even if it might have been at Fox's initial request - but like I say on t'other thread, helping him make a hit is good for all of us, so long as it's still, y'know, Whedonesque ;).

[ edited by Saje on 2008-07-22 19:17 ]

Saje | July 22, 19:16 CET

My fears are quelled. I hope I'm using quell right. I think I am. Quell means to calmed or soothe or something like that. :)

[ edited by crazygolfa on 2008-07-22 19:19 ]

crazygolfa | July 22, 19:18 CET

Gotta goes with the eye-bulge and sly-smile of "zombie slaves". Yea, yea, I've seen it before, but it's been a while. :)

korkster | July 22, 19:20 CET

As in the "queller" space-monster that suffocates crazy people? Yep, that's the one.

korkster | July 22, 19:22 CET

This is kind of cool. If Dollhouse can comfortably have a second first episode (which for some reason reminds me of "second breakfast" in Frodoville), the Demon Writer of TV, a/k/a Structure Dude, is exploring the dimension of story telling that he most loves and does the best in new ways.

And since different clients have different kinds of fantasies they want to live out, and (I'm guessing) that one way Echo is going to learn is by feeling the contradictions among all the roles she plays, the story really can start anywhere. Including with a duet between her and a client whose fantasy is to have someone sing "Some Enchanted Evening" to him while fully believing that she is Mary Martin in South Pacific and has just met the man of her dreams. (Though that would kind of suck.)

Pointy | July 22, 19:26 CET

Pointy, I posed a question somewhere for you in the black, but I forgot where...

korkster | July 22, 20:10 CET

Well, this news has made me a bit chipper this morning, good sign that all parties onboard are working together to make this show happen. Again, that beings a smile to my face.

Madhatter | July 22, 20:18 CET

I'm strangely tempted to skip the first episode and start at the second. Which is a stupid idea, so I won't. But nevertheless you only get first impressions once, and it'd be interesting to see what might've been...

MattK | July 22, 20:25 CET

Gotta goes with the eye-bulge and sly-smile of "zombie slaves". Yea, yea, I've seen it before, but it's been a while. :)

A thousand times this. She's wonderful and I love her already.

Jobo | July 22, 20:32 CET

Perhaps it will be on the DVD release! Lets count our lucky stars, shall we?

Madhatter | July 22, 20:36 CET

Oops--realized that Korkster's question was about a different topic than this, so went and put my response there.

[ edited by Pointy on 2008-07-22 21:28 ]

Pointy | July 22, 21:26 CET

"Perhaps it will be on the DVD release! Lets count our lucky stars, shall we?"

Am I just confused, or are others who, like Madhatter here, expressed a hope/desire to see the original first episode eventually?

As I understand it from this little interview and from Joss's "interview," we are going to see the original first episode. It will be the second episode shown in January. Isn't this correct?

It's not as if the already-shot episode (which is now apparently being called the first of two "pilots" even though before we were told that the show had no pilot) is just going to disappear, right?

Septimus | July 22, 21:48 CET

Yeah, the first episode will still appear, just somewhere else in the running order (currently second seems the favourite). It'll be slightly tweaked though presumably (since it's not an introduction from scratch) so maybe people are expressing an interest in seeing the very first original version ?

Saje | July 22, 21:55 CET

Thanks, Saje! That makes sense.

Septimus | July 22, 21:55 CET

Eliza Dushku spoils the arc that will never be. The one that got her kicked out of the writer's room ;-)

Pointy | July 22, 21:57 CET

That's harsh. She could totally be a speed chess player. Or a chess boxer.

Sunfire | July 22, 22:11 CET

That article Pointy linked to has Eliza saying that she's doing all kinds of action-y things (rock climbing, jumping from cars, whatever). Is that the more "punchy" version of the show that Fox was seeking?

Septimus | July 22, 22:14 CET

Clearly he's never played Wizard's chess.

hacksaway | July 22, 22:17 CET

I think Joss was probably thinking of something like the French defence and sure, even with Eliza that'd be dull. But think of the onscreen pyrotechnics that might arise from the Sicillian ? That's a bottomless well, drama wise. Pawns and knights and queens, oh my.

So long as he actively hates having viewers, it's a winner.

(and AFAIK, skydiving, climbing etc. have always been in the mix - they've certainly been in the trailer from the start, though maybe not from the pilot)

Saje | July 22, 22:42 CET

So, once again, a slur against the French defence. This has punctured my sang-froid and cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged. Subtlety and steadiness is dull now? I sneer at the Siciian!

My emoticon is frowning.

shambleau | July 22, 23:02 CET

This new first episode news has made TV Guide, Variety, and Eonline in the last half hour or so, to name but are probably but a few outlets:

Variety
Eonline
TV Guide

The Variety piece quotes a Fox executive. Who are the viewers who are confused, I wonder? Have they brought in test audiences?

The Variety piece also characterizes whedonesque as Joss's blog. Hah. A common mistake, apparently.

[ edited by phlebotinin on 2008-07-23 00:19 ]

phlebotinin | July 23, 00:09 CET

Subtlety and steadiness is dull now?

I dunno, aren't those, like, synonyms for plodding and pedestrian ?

(I kid, some variations are great. Like 1. ... c5. Surprise, i'm still kidding ! ;-) Seriously, I just went for it because it's seen to be dull, honest ;)

Saje | July 23, 09:55 CET

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