SMG on Buffy as a movie.
Saying the original movie didn't work because "the story was better told over a long arc", SMG goes on to say: "You show me a script; you show me that it works, and you show me that [the] audience can accept that, [and] I'd probably be there."
January 22 2008
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SoddingNancyTribe | January 22, 09:54 CET
Then again, with my luck, she'll be gung ho for a movie and Joss will have already committed himself to too many projects. It's like my mother and father got divorced and I'm feebly trying to get them back together. Sigh.
CowboyCliche | January 22, 09:59 CET
SoddingNancyTribe | January 22, 10:13 CET
rebaroz | January 22, 10:19 CET
Not as a huge role, I guess, since it's supposed to be Giles's story. But that appears to be the closest possible Buffyverse motion picture coming up.
Jobo | January 22, 10:24 CET
Pointy | January 22, 10:25 CET
[ edited by patxshand on 2008-01-22 07:31 ]
patxshand | January 22, 10:31 CET
Oh, and everything Joss touches is gold.
But I just desperately would die see a Buffy on the big screen. Be honest, if any of you clicked on your Whedonesque favorite tab to see "Buffy to be made into movie!" as a headline, you would probably throw up in excitement. I mean, I'm still reeling from news of a Ripper movie, and that's still a ways off.
I really shouldn't complain, though. This has been a truly fantastic year for Buffyverse fans.
CowboyCliche | January 22, 10:38 CET
That's really what it comes down to.Honestly I think Joss is going to have to make the first move if he really wants to do a Buffy movie.
We've never actually heard Joss comment or address Sarah's stance really.
[ edited by patxshand on 2008-01-22 07:31 ]
patxshand | January 22, 07:31 CET
Bringing over my comments from a previous thread.
http://whedonesque.com/comments/15259
Most actors I tend to see like to know what they are signing onto before committing to a project.The only times you tend not to see that is if it's a high profile project like the Star Wars prequels or if their contract includes sequel clauses where they are under contract to do a second and third film no matter what.
With the T.V. show they were under contract and got no real say.We also know Sarah was very unhappy with some stuff on the show in the later years.It's not unreasonable for the actors to want some input into it if they come back.I remember hearing that Charisma Carpenter had script approval over,"You're Welcome" and rejected two drafts before a version to her liking was written and she signed on.James Marsters seemed to want some script approval on the proposed Spike movie.So it's not unreasonable to me that SMG wouldn't agree to a Buffy movie site unseen.
I'm sure it would be along the lines of what Impossible said on the other thread which was basically if Joss was serious he would get together with Sarah over drinks or something and they would talk over his ideas for the project first with some back and forth.If both were happy and wanted to do the film then they might go from there with Joss then starting on script/treatment to show her.
[ edited by Buffyfantic on 2008-01-22 07:50 ]
Buffyfantic | January 22, 10:49 CET
Did Joss announce the possibility of another Buffy movie?
I was at the news agent today and there was a magazine with sarah on te cover ands it said "Sarah Michelle Gellar: Buffy is back in a new movie". I'm confused.
danielc2384 | January 22, 11:18 CET
Continuing to apply RL psychology to RL relationships that are only suggested by our knowledge of their fictional work (look! I'm flying a kite on air. Yes, the kite is also air, but look closer, it's darker than the other air!). I didn't perceive the relationship between SMG and Joss as at all spousal. It was probably more parental. And one-sided, possibly, on each side, because her experience of (not)having a father was negative, and his of being one hadn't ocurred yet. This is all no-contrast kite speculation.
dreamlogic | January 22, 11:27 CET
We all know Joss Whedon could write something absolutely amazing. So I'm glad to know that SMG is starting to realize how important the character of Buffy was and is to her career. And that perhaps if both are willing and able, she would revisit it.
twinkiefoo | January 22, 11:39 CET
No.
theonetruebix | January 22, 11:59 CET
And it needn't tell "the" Buffy story. Serenity didn't tell the whole tale of Serenity's crew, nor did it need to. It told one important, meaty story. A new Buffy movie, similarly, wouldn't be obliged to lay out the entire Buffyverse mythology and epic for the audience, just one entertaining story from within it, a self-contained package of awesome plucked from the whole.
Tough job? Maybe, but (perhaps predictably, since here I am posting on Whedonesque) I have no doubts that Whedon could write such a film.
Ghalev | January 22, 12:00 CET
Again, though, it would be a better idea to have Buffy come back in a mini-series, and it could be based on the comic book series, or maybe afterwards.
impalergeneral | January 22, 13:10 CET
An aged Buffy or maybe Buffy's truly last mission are pretty much the only stories worth telling in a film IMO, if it was "just" another episode but longer, even if it was large-scale then a) she wouldn't do it and b) without a true resolution to her story, to me it wouldn't be worthwhile. EMWV ;).
Saje | January 22, 13:26 CET
I am, once again, also probably in a very small minority in actually liking the films Gellar has made since the TV show came to an end. That includes the second ‘Scooby Doo’ film, which, while of no great artistic worth, is surely not as inexcusable as is often claimed. Personally, I think ‘The Return’ is excellent and ‘Southland Tales is a whole lot better than the reviews suggest. I have a lot more interest in seeing the films coming soon (‘The Air I Breathe’, etc) and finding out what the future will bring than the vague hope that maybe one day there will be a ‘Buffy’ film.
As Pointy and Saje have already mentioned, Gellar has always given the same answer to this question. I don’t suppose she has any serious interest in doing a film – and I am not convinced Joss Whedon is waiting by his phone, just hoping that one day he might get the call. Equally, nothing suggests that studios are lined up ready to bid for the chance to be involved.
I hope Joss Whedon goes on to make a lot more films and television work, but I would not want him to turn into George Lucas, constantly tinkering, unnecessarily, with work already done.
alien lanes | January 22, 13:34 CET
I loved Serenity because we had no Firefly left. But we have had seven seasons of Buffy, and a comic book series to go along with it (and who knows when that will end). I think the space between the issues and episodes is every big as valid as the episodes themselves, and a film definitely ruins the emphasis of a cliffhanger. If a film came along I would surely welcome it, but I'm never really going to want it while we have stuff going on in the Buffyverse anyway.
Vortigun | January 22, 14:24 CET
I would like to see SMG get more main stream roles so she starts getting the attention and accolades she deserves. She's still one of my favorite actors.
kmb99 | January 22, 14:31 CET
Although the comics are good, when the time comes for Buffy to go out in a blaze of glory, again, I'd love to see it on screen with the actors we know from the series.
The DVDs of that series would make fortunes for anyone involved, but I guess people in Hollywood aren't into making money these days, or the studios just believe more money can be made from reality shows.
jpr | January 22, 15:04 CET
As for the possibility of a movie in general, I suspect eventually someone will want to make one. If Joss and Sarah's names are on it, it's pretty much going to be able to knock out a $20 million + opening weekend in a Halloween timed release or something.
KingofCretins | January 22, 16:22 CET
jcs | January 22, 17:38 CET
Now, with all this said, I could never really mind more sequels, and I will squeal with happiness if any come my way. I believe in Joss, and I believe in the rest of the crew, and whatever they wish to make, I shall watch.
As for Sarah, I perfectly understand her decision. For two reasons actually. Saying a simple "no" to making a movie would hurt her fans, and it would be a rash decision. So, she has to say something else. And that's tricky at times! The other thing is that, as fantastically orgasmic as Buffy was, it still caused some type-casting for Sarah. Actors should have the opportunity to play diverse roles, and show of their skills.
So, if Joss, and Sarah, and the rest of the crew come back to make more wonderful stories, I will be there to see them. If they do not, it is just as good. I wish them luck with any and all of their projects.
Valentyn | January 22, 18:30 CET
If ever there was to be a Buffy movie it had better be within the next 5 years. After that everyone will be way too old.
twinkiefoo | January 22, 19:10 CET
As much as I'd love to see some more of the Scoobie gang in living color, the show would really have to be magic-squared (or cubed!) to meet the fans expectations.
alexreager | January 22, 19:13 CET
And in all honesty I think that's the most sensible thing to do. I don't think Buffy could come back as a series, unless it was very different from the original concept- for example had the season 8 comic played out on TV rather than as a comic, it would have a very different feeling even though it is set in the same world with the same characters.
With Serenity, the only problem I had was that a two hour film wasn't the same as multiple seasons of a TV series. It was an excellent film, but the fact that we only ever got to see those characters and stories for 14 episodes and a film makes you frustrated at the lost potential.
The difference is with Buffy, I felt they ended at the right time. And 144 episodes was a considerable run, allowing most of the characters to be fully developed over that time and dozens of storylines explored. Had that been the end of Buffy, of course I would have been disappointed, but I would also have been satisfied with what we did get, whereas with something like Firefly I was deeply dissatisfied.
Season 8 being explored in comics almost works better for me than a TV continuation of the series, because it's different in so many ways, not only the format but also in terms of the content. And I think a film would also do that- it would be a chance to dip back into that universe and do something different than what we saw in the series. So even though Joss' storytelling is even better when it's allowed to develop in a story spanning years and years, I think Buffy has reached the stage where that isn't necessarily true. And of course with Serenity he showed that he could make a fantastic movie sequel to a TV series, so I can imagine he could do the same with Buffy.
Razor | January 22, 19:46 CET
"I really couldn't ask you for this. It would be too much. Friends should never let money come between them. I really shouldn't ever ask you for money. That's just not how it's done. I'll get the 400 bucks from somewhere else... I just need to think of where."
It's just it's more:
"I really don't think a Buffy movie could work. It was a TV show, not a movie, and I just don't see why you'd do that. It just seems like a really bad idea. I mean, I'd look at the script if there was one, but it probably wouldn't work. I'd really like to see how they'd do it if there was one, but it would be really hard. I'll just find another really high profile project to be part of to get my name back out there."
Seems like she's almost fishing for one.
IMForeman | January 22, 20:55 CET
[ edited by IMForeman on 2008-01-22 17:56 ]
IMForeman | January 22, 20:56 CET
witchlover | January 22, 21:34 CET
ManEnoughToAdmitIt | January 22, 21:41 CET
And there is no movie that I want to see more than this one.
ailiel | January 22, 21:59 CET
I wouldn't be surprised. It seems like it would be even more of a minefield to answer, what with the way people like to spin an answer and start internet rumors. Or, more generously, some people hear what they want to (I think both cases occur).
She's a professional. Wanting to see a script doesn't sound unreasonable. I wish her the best in her current projects.
Sunfire | January 22, 23:08 CET
Also- they get me angry at times! Like, why didn't Faith help Angel with his final battle in LA? And, HAVE Spike and Buffy spoken, yet? The last time we saw them together, she told him she loved him (although he felt it was a kindness, not a truth, but, still!) It's moving a bit too slowly for me and opening old wounds :-P What can I say- I want the world, I want the whole world!
ok, sorry, back to the movie. What has Joss said recently about this? Anybody know?
Patty~Cakes | January 22, 23:27 CET
Saje | January 22, 23:29 CET
Of course, it would all end with Angel becoming human again, fulfilling the Shanshu prophecy, and he and Buffy dying in each others' arms... after a battle where all the main characters die*.
That is, until Fray comes along.
(*Except Andrew, since he's the one telling the story.)
[ edited by Whistler on 2008-01-22 21:45 ]
Whistler | January 23, 00:43 CET
garda39 | January 23, 00:46 CET
(Though there are stories still to tell. How does Buffy handle all the new slayers? Has Willow been redeemed? What of Faith and her arc, still unresolved? What of the Watchers' Council?)
Dana5140 | January 23, 01:25 CET
[ edited by Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner on 2008-01-22 22:40 ]
Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner | January 23, 01:36 CET
But I don't blame her for wanting to see a script first. Joss might be a very talented man, but there was plenty in the show to dislike, lots of bad decisions that they had no choice but keep building on over the years. I don't blame her, Michelle or Emma for never wanting anything to do with the show again.
She's just giving the best answer she can to not alienate fans that love her and her character.
spikeverse | January 23, 01:43 CET
I'm not going to get my hopes up (again), though. A whole lot of coincidences would have to happen, and they'd have to happen really soon.
I think I'll just continue looking forward to Dollhouse.
RaisedByMongrels | January 23, 01:48 CET
Although didn't Sarah recently say that she was initially upset by criticism of the Scooby Doo films, until her husband pointed out that they were making them for children, not for critics? That sort of implies that they knew what type of film they were signing up for in the first place.
I think one of the difficulties with making a Buffy movie is because there are things like the season 8 comics, the Angel comics and potentially Ripper, to worry about. The first two are progressing as we speak, but Ripper isn't even confirmed yet. I don't think Joss would want to write a Buffy film right now only to find out that it will severely change aspects of something like Ripper, if it were to go ahead. Or he may feel like it limits the possibilities of what he can do with season 8, as I'm sure the whole arc of the comics hasn't been set in stone.
I actually think season 8 is really Joss' alternative to making a film. It's the show on an even more epic scale, just as a movie budget would allow for more action and bigger villains (and sisters).
I've always compared the relationship between TV series and films to that between novels and graphic novels. TV series and novels allow development of numerous plots and many characters. Films and graphic novels are slightly different in that the characters and stories can have just as big an impact, but the format requires such conciseness. And I know that long running comics such as X-Men do offer the same kind of epic arc storytelling as a TV series, but only over the couse of years. Every 5 issues of the Buffy season 8 comic thus far are equivalent to roughly 1 TV episode, so ultimately it will be more like a film or miniseries than the TV series.
Razor | January 23, 04:29 CET
It would be pretty tough to make a great Buffy movie if it was just one 2 hour movie. What would be amazing is if Joss could get the go ahead for a trilogy and each film be between 2 and 2 and a half hours. I do realize this is pretty wishful thinking considering it would be tough enough to get the financing for 1 film, but that's what I would pray for.
Another thing I would love to see is a Buffy animated series finally get off the ground. Whether it be some of the high school stuff in between the first 3 seasons like the original animated series was supposed to be or something like Season 8 anything would be great.
Pretty much anything happening in the Buffyverse on TV or film whether it be a big screen Buffy and/or Angel movie, TV Angel movie, TV Spike movie, or Ripper, I'll be thrilled with just about anything we can get.
[ edited by mossoholic on 2008-01-23 05:48 ]
mossoholic | January 23, 08:19 CET
Sarah said "probably". Not definitely, but 'probably', which shows that even WITH a great script, superb cast, guaranteed audience figures and Joss directing, it's not a 100% chance. (Her platitude even sounds like her line from 'Forever!)
Of COURSE she's not going to say no when asked about a movie, she'll alienate her (many and rabid) Buffy fans.
We should be grateful the Buffyverse is living on in comic form and stop asking the poor cast this same question over and over!
missb | January 23, 10:11 CET
I remember cast interviews at the time of the sequel where some of them said that in some ways they preferred making the second one because they knew where they stood more.
The first one tried to walk the line between appealing to kids and adults with its knowing winks about Shaggy being a stoner and Velma (and maybe Fred) being gay (and did a reasonable job IMO - as disposable, "check your brain at the door" entertainment goes, i've seen worse) whereas the second one was much more overtly aimed at kids (apart from the odd sop to the parents in the audience like Linda Cardellini in a leather catsuit - blatant "Dad appeal" if ever I saw it ;).
Saje | January 23, 16:02 CET
"The reviews were scathing, and I took it really hard. [But] Freddie said to me, 'Scooby-Doo isn't for reviewers. We're not making it for them.' And when all these children came up to me to say, 'Scooby-Doo is my favorite movie,' that was great. But for a weird time in between, I took everything really personally."
alien lanes | January 23, 22:06 CET
Tonya J | January 23, 22:17 CET
Thomas Haden Church did the same for "Spiderman 3" for Sam Raimi (though the end result is another story).
After 7 years of incredible back-breaking writing--- and endless rave reviews for all three tv series- hasn't Mr.Whedon and his staff of writers earned the benefit of a doubt from this actress?
I think an interview with one of the Buffy producers awhile back was the most objective: that he felt neither SMG or Mr.Whedon felt enough love for each others' contribution from one another by the end for Buffy.
I put my money on 'not likely of ever happening' for this film. Too bad--- but then again, I'm of the opinion that the seventh season ended PERFECTLY.
[ edited by harvey chin on 2008-01-24 05:40 ]
harvey chin | January 24, 06:14 CET
Given that, as others have pointed out, she wasn't happy with the direction of season 6 i'd say she's just being sensible harvey chin. What if Joss wants to take Buffy back to a place SMG doesn't want to go ? As a series regular under contract she didn't have much choice, now she does and she's simply exercising it.
Gotta say too that, BtVS being all about women making their own choices, it strikes me kinda funny that when the very woman that helped make the character an icon does just that, she's criticised for it. Hopefully the irony's not lost on most of us ;).
And i've not seen 'The Interpreter' (though seem to recall the reviews not being unanimously adoring) but 'Spider-man 3' is a good example of how even the best creative teams, with a proven track-record, can drop the occasional bollock. A pretty good reason to read the script first i'd say.
Saje | January 24, 14:04 CET
Well said.
Joss Whedon and company are fantastic but they aren't perfect and there is nothing wrong with being cautious.
moley75 | January 24, 20:30 CET