TV Without Pity compares "Razor" main character to Dawn.
This is just a couple of lines. Jane Espenson was the co-executive producer on "Razor."
December 18 2007
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The One True b!X | December 18, 02:33 CET
It's nice to see comments about Dawn not be negative about for once.
[ edited by Electric Spacegirl on 2007-12-18 00:28 ]
electricspacegirl | December 18, 03:17 CET
The problem with Razor? Narrative redundancy. Except for this character we'd never met and never really needed to meet, we knew all this stuff before.
crossoverman | December 18, 05:17 CET
Uh. All? Not so much.
The One True b!X | December 18, 05:18 CET
Suzie | December 18, 06:34 CET
Jacob also wrote one of the essays in Serenity Found.
narnia | December 18, 06:44 CET
omnie | December 18, 13:22 CET
Uh. All? Not so much.
Yeah, the stuff with Starbuck was new and significant (moreso in the extended version). It's true though that most of the Caine/Pegasus stuff itself had already been mentioned.
Guess it's always going to be a problem with a flashback episode. We know who lives already (so we can also guess who dies) which makes suspense hard to muster. It becomes an exercise in cool moments (of which 'Razor' had several) and filling in some incidental blanks.
Saje | December 18, 13:58 CET
Jacob is the man who did the Serenity recap, which was the first TWOP review I actually dug. (The Buffy ones are not so much from the handful that I've read, although I suppose I'm generalizing. It's a combination of disliking the uber-negative tone, and generally finding that the reviews didn't have much to say.) But Jacob does seem pretty damn insightful.
WilliamTheB | December 18, 14:14 CET
I liked Razor. Electric SpaceGirl I think you will find it worth watching.
Who's this "we" you're talking about? Yeah, we knew the broad outlines of the Pegasus story, so what? I liked seeing how the story played out on a different ship. How did Caine become a monster? The tie-in with the first hybrid gave us new information about the Cylons and where they are coming from.
And I may not have NEEDED to meet Kendra Shaw, but I loved meeting her and seeing her journey. Great character.
And can I say how much I loved that the story focused on women. It happened that I watched this right after the debate on the visual portrayal of women in the Angel comic, so it was on my mind, and the contrast couldn't have been plainer. Here we have women characters being treated as real beings, as individuals placed in an untenable situation and reacting as people, good or bad. Not portrayed as adolescent eye candy. This is a show that genuinely respects women.
barboo | December 18, 20:17 CET
UnpluggedCrazy | December 19, 07:21 CET
I don't think Razor was redundant at all - it wasn't about having massive amounts of new information imparted to us, it was about watching things unfold to a desperate and terrible outcome, and I thought it did that beautifully.
gilraen | December 19, 08:06 CET
IMO, Jacob goes in and out of communication range and coherence. I empathize, for some reason. I didn't think his recap of Razor was particularly cogent, but still enjoyed reading it. As for those who didn't enjoy the same narrative from a different perspective - really? They can take my money for the rest of my life just making movies of the same events from different angles, if Razor's an example.
dreamlogic | December 19, 13:42 CET
I personally loath and detest TVWP, IMO it exists only so the reviewers can read their own words, which are generally a total waste of time for anyone else to read.
All they seem to care about is stroking their own egos, out-snarking each other and generating fan wars. I've read much better, more insightful reviews on a number of fan sites.
Shey | December 19, 14:58 CET
As far as his reviews in general, I've only read a few, but I like them--it's not so much that he's always coherent, or even that he always writes well, but I think he always has interesting things to say, whether or not I agree. And he comes out with gems. Some sections from his Serenity recap (apologies for language):
Gibberish? Maybe, but it certainly makes me think. If he could not only have these ideas but follow them through coherently, it'd be perfect.
[ edited by WilliamTheB on 2007-12-19 12:20 ]
WilliamTheB | December 19, 15:19 CET
Shey | December 19, 15:27 CET
(and among other things, I liked his comment
cos that's exactly what I was thinking when I watched it. It's all "Belay that order" until the really tough call then suddenly it's "Hey, son, it's totally your command, i'm just here for the snacks and to watch those cool doors open and close" ;).
Saje | December 19, 15:48 CET
madmolly | December 19, 18:56 CET
(there's also a S1-3 box set which is - comparatively - great value)
Saje | December 19, 19:27 CET
UnpluggedCrazy | December 19, 19:44 CET
zeitgeist | December 19, 23:22 CET