Mom, He's Doing It Again...
Reading! Rallying! Writing!
THE PURPLE PROSE OF CAIRO
Two very different experiences today that I’d like to share with y’all. Last one first: Entertainment Weekly joins the New York Times in fair and balanced writer-bashing. Their cover story on the strike kind of stunned me. They’ve always been really sweet about my shows and I’ve read a lot of interesting stuff in there but holy boy are they missing the point. Their reporter has fallen into every cliched journalistic trap the congloms have ever set. I realize his magazine is owned by one of them, but I expected better. Let’s go in for a closer look.
(By the way, I’m fully aware that I have turned into Dustin Hoffman as Lenny Bruce at the end of the movie when he’s all strung out and not funny and just reading legal briefs during his stand-up, but further down I make this really awesome joke you’re gonna wanna tell all your friends, just wait.)
“Labor disputes in Hollywood may not inspire the sort of tingly feelings of fraternal solidarity with the common man associated with, say, an uprising of mill workers. Some of the writer’s demands – keeping their names on movie posters, for instance – wouldn’t lure Norma Rae to a picket line. But make no mistake: when the Writers Guild of America announced that its members would be folding up their laptops until further notice, they picked a fight with producers, studios, and TV networks that could turn this town inside out over the next several months. And perhaps even alter the balance of power of the entire entertainment industry.
“As always, the argument is over money. The writers want more.”
You’re probably way ahead of me. We don’t do real work. We demand frivolous things. We picked a fight. We’re greedy. The article goes on to present both sides but that’s like letting a fight go four more rounds while one of the fighters is lying on the canvas. The damage is done.
Does anyone believe we picked a fight? That the AMPTP didn’t have months (or, truthfully, 19 years) to make an equitable deal with us? And does anyone believe it has anything to do with poster credits? (Which, by the way, is a serious issue in a town where name recognition is directly related to job offers and salaries. But we didn’t walk out on our jobs over it.) As for more money, has anyone not done the math on the massive downloading of ‘The Office’, wherein there is NO money? Hey, that reminds of a fun thing: theft! (Editor’s note: theft is not a fun thing, unless Catwoman or Cary Grant is doing it. Then it is legally sexy.)
At this point I uttered “Grrr”. “Arrgh” came on the next page. Let’s go to the videotype:
“…so far nobody in Hollywood has figured out how to get really rich on the internet. If the writers and producers agree on one thing, however, it’s that someday somebody WILL – and they both want to be there with their wallets open.”
Putting writers on a par with multibillion dollar companies is certainly an odd perspective. Their wallets are, shall we say, bigger. Than your house. (“Producers” is a misnomer in this case; most producers in television are writers. All television production is run through the studios now.) The sum total of the residuals being asked for in a year wouldn’t equal one of these moguls’ salaries – it wouldn’t even scratch the actual yearly profit of their company. The paragraph continues with the famous argument Nick Counter presents against giving us a decent fixed percentage: There’s no “business model” for the internet, so we don’t know how much money there is. Okay, class, all together: two and a half percent is two and half percent NO MATTER WHAT. It is never more. However much money there is, or isn’t, it still almost all goes to them.
Bored? I’d be, if I wasn’t so amazed. But I’ll move on the first event of the day – the rally at Fox plaza. Yeah, I schlepped out of bed to share my cold with some 4,000 writerly types and God I’m glad I did. I saw so many friends and comrades (plus two brothers and a sister-in-law), and got such a rush of genuine purpose and solidarity. How many events are gonna feature Rage Against the Machine, the Reverend Jesse Jackson AND Norman Lear? Twelve, tops. Much inspirational speechifying. (And a mom holding her little girl, who had sign that just said "Share.") Felt like hell going in, felt like hell-on-somewhat-wobbly-wheels coming out. (The only downside was that the rally was at the base of the Fox building, more commonly known as Nakatomi Plaza, and the overload of “Die Hard” jokes may have blown the grid for a few blocks. I’m as much at fault as anyone.)
I guess being at the heart of something and then seeing an outsider’s gross misapprehensions about it was too much of a rollercoaster for this sick boy (not to be confused with Sick Boy from “Trainspotting”, who is less phlegmy and more confusingly hot). So I rant, and you have to suffer for it. And I totally lied about that great joke. I got nothin’. But I can’t let this shoddy journalism go unanswered. They have turned me into a blogger. And that I do not forgive.
Let’s end with a list. Here are the films I WAS gonna write but now I’m on strike so America (and foreign territories) will never get to see them:
1) The Man With The Golden Thing
2) Seven Brides For Seven Draculas
3) Avenging Benji
4) Don’t Pick At It – Oh God, What’d I Just Say?
5) The Cars That Could Turn Into Robots But No, It’s Different
6) Wonder Woman
7) Cheese For Frieda
That’s right. I had ‘em all outlined. It was gonna be my mature period. Damn shame.
Thanks for logging on. I’ll behave from now on, I swear.
All the bestiness, your own Mr Sexy Brain of 2007.
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Dunno how I missed you at the rally, but I'm glad you made it! But maybe take a break this weekend, rest man, rest!
I did see some of your Mutant Enemy Alumns, all of whom were very pleasant, picts to come soon.
And crap, the luck. I was looking forward to Avenging Benji! That's been too long delayed!
bobw1o | November 10, 08:40 CET
anniem | November 10, 08:41 CET
You had me until you said 'Wonder Woman.' Studios are plenty foolish but even they know that such an idea would never work.
Chin up, sir.
pollaxt | November 10, 08:44 CET
TamaraC | November 10, 08:46 CET
Too bad that magazine writer wasn't feeling the camaraderie. He's obviously bitter no one's picked up his manuscript yet.
"6) Wonder Woman" See, now you're just breaking my heart.
Get better, O Phlegmy one,
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kazzmere | November 10, 08:46 CET
It's great to get to hear your perspective on this whole thing. I'm thoroughly enjoying reading your posts, and I hope you will continue to post in the future!
kevingann | November 10, 08:47 CET
I actually brought up the strike in class with my students yesterday. Which, you know, wasn't really RELEVANT to class, but sometimes current events are more important. And I just want to share with the world that I was so impressed at how very well informed some of them were about the whole thing. Better than I was, some of them. Others, of course, knew nothing about it, but were eager to learn (or at least eager to avoid learning what I had planned for them). And there was one girl who rather than playing Devil's Advocate actually WAS Devil's Advocate and felt the need to express the plight of writers who perhaps wanted to break the strike but are scared to. Which, you know, it's always good to have different perspectives.
Anyway: you writers are out there where it counts, in the minds and hearts of the teenagers. And at least where I work, those people make the purchasing decisions.
Kiba | November 10, 08:48 CET
If we have no chance of getting any of the magic seven movies (all of which I *would* actually pay to watch or download) OR the fabled wonder of 'Dollhouse', 'Goners' or 'Ripper', the silver lining is that at least we are getting some infinite wisdom from yourself here on whedonesque.
Any idiot who can see the figures can tell the writers are being ripped off. I only hope that the so-called media (that's YOU, NYT) who are frantically licking the bums of the networks get their comeuppance when might, and sense, prevails.
And have their right to wear scarves taken away.
missb | November 10, 08:48 CET
And to be fair, though it's certainly no cover story, ew.com does have a balanced article that comes down in the writers' favor. In fact, it's called
"Why the Writers Are Right".
One thing that I've heard that confuses me is people's tendency to say things like, "Why are the writers being so greedy? There are children starving in Africa!"
Well, that would only be a valid point if the AMPTP were giving their share of the profits to starving children in Africa. It wouldn't matter if the writers were all millionaires; fair is fair.
Edit: links confuse me
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sorethumb | November 10, 08:48 CET
lauratd | November 10, 08:48 CET
Anyways, we are all behind you! Keep stickin' it to the man!
Grin!
Sania D.
Ps. Cheese For Frieda??? If you wrote ANYTHING on the topic I would be more than estatic. Cheese=my favorite food EVER. Frieda=Favorite female artist EVER!!!
Sania Delian | November 10, 08:52 CET
cymerin | November 10, 08:53 CET
http://www.flickr.com/photos/19691938@N02/
That'll have to do for now, tried to include a decent variety of specific peoples, awe-inspiring wide shots filled with a thousand writers, and fun signs.
I'd have put more but silly me shot at full rez, I'm almost at my account limit as it is! that's okay, All the best ones are here.
Oh, and that's Jeff Garlin in the red shirt talking to the Reno 911 actors, apparently I didn't take a picture of him from the front. (side note: Mr. Garlin was on a local morning show that I listened to on my way to the rally. They gave him a large box full of porn DVDs that he left for the writers to take, which they did.)
Enjoy!
bobw1o | November 10, 08:54 CET
What I realized was this: The studios don't have the power, they only have control.
The power, of course, starts with whoever puts words to paper, and ends with whoever reads, watches, or listens to what becomes of those words. Or, rather, the power in creation is in that space between those two sides.
In the age of the Internet (that thing the studios claim is so new they don't know how to give writers money from it), more than ever before that shared space between writers on the one hand and readers/viewers/listeners on the other is shrinking from a canyon to a room.
So easy (relatively speaking) is it now for writers and readers to hear from each other that it's more and more clear to both sides that all the power lies in that space between them.
The studios, meanwhile, are suddenly being revealed as having only control, but no real power. In fact, their control relied upon the assumption that they had the power, and depended upon the writers and the readers never actually being able to get together and notice this was BS.
I don't mean the above to mean the usual "Internet kills off studios!" crap-hype. What I mean by the above is that even when some things still require the studios as a distribution channel, we're still at a moment when it's becoming increasingly obvious that it isn't the writers and viewers who depends on the power of the studios, it's the studios who depend upon the power of the writers and viewers.
theonetruebix | November 10, 08:55 CET
FaithsTruCalling | November 10, 08:57 CET
Add them to the pool!
theonetruebix | November 10, 08:57 CET
btw: No late-term Lenny Bruce vibe yet. Still funny.
jcs | November 10, 08:57 CET
Hm. But I also hear it makes you all mysterious and damaged and sexy.
Catch-fucking-22.
Ah, but you have the sexy brains all the zombies slobber for. Letting it out it is. Damn healthy, sexy people.
And after reading bix's post, I have Video Killed the Radio Star stuck in my head.
Banter | November 10, 09:02 CET
MySerenity | November 10, 09:06 CET
This is gonna be a three-pipe one, I can tell...
C. A. Bridges | November 10, 09:06 CET
goingmad | November 10, 09:08 CET
RAGS! RAGS! You mentioned RAGS, Joss!
I was in RAGS once. (I played Rosa.) And I stage managed it this summer. (I played the stage manager, that time.)
Ooh. I just had an idea. But it requires I find my RAGS shirt. I'll have to do that later. I will post a picture!
Kiba | November 10, 09:08 CET
C. A. Bridges | November 10, 09:09 CET
I also want to slip in a new term my friend Beth made, not even realizing someone as crazy as me would like it so much. Joss isn't God, because some people have no religious beliefs. He's the Jod.
I'm with FaithsTruCalling. Love ya Jo(ss/d). And if they say its in a stalker way then they're just covering up their own petty crimes. No, seriously, no stalking from seven states over.
Buffysmglover | November 10, 09:13 CET
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evolutiongirl | November 10, 09:18 CET
buffyfanatic18 | November 10, 09:20 CET
Take two:
Joss, our one true master -
You best aim to misbehave, bubba. And keep on misbehavin' 'til y'all get what you want. To quote a lovely young woman named Helen Slater in a movie some years ago: "Fair is fair! We didn't start this! We didn't mean for this to happen! But we're not giving up until you pay! FAIR IS FAIR!" (Thank you Lawrence Konner & Mark Rosenthal)
As our beloved Jayne Cobb said, "10% of nuthin' is...lemme do the math..."
We're keeping the Bronze:Beta updated, and one poster has already said she won't buy any new DVDs until this is over, and she'll figure how much she would have spent on them & donate it to the WGA.
Hmm...I just had a thought. I'll sell my Serenity merchandise (Flyers, postcards, keychains) and donate that money. Hey, mods? Is there a site for folks to list stuff for sale to raise funds? 'cause...I'm of the broke variety but I still want to help.
ShadowQuest | November 10, 09:24 CET
cabri | November 10, 09:25 CET
Oh and for those pesky phlegm and post-nasal drip problems try Sinucleanse. Trust me, it's AMAZING. You just have to get over the whole "I put this where,and it does what?!" thing.
ShadyLane | November 10, 09:32 CET
Your blogs really have been the highlight of my life as of late, so please please don't stop sharing your thoughts with the Whedonesque-folk :)
Keep on keeping on and I'll keep cheering for you from Ohio!
minuet | November 10, 09:47 CET
I welcome our new athletic writer overlords, and look forward to the forced breeding program.
C. A. Bridges | November 10, 09:50 CET
The writers haven't picked a fight. The studios picked a fight the day they started disrespecting writers.
Adamwankenobi | November 10, 09:50 CET
and I really do want to know more about this 'The Cars That Could Turn Into Robots' movie. that is an idea that intrigues me.
would they be able to talk?
ssick | November 10, 09:53 CET
BrownCoat_Tabz | November 10, 09:59 CET
Kiba -- never saw RAGS, just love the score.
Bix -- you pretty much nailed it. Reminds me how gratified I was that someone added "Checkpoint" to the Strike Flick list. That scene at the end was totally personal (thanks, pain!), but it absolutely applies politcally as well. Which is as it should be.
People with real power never fear of losing it. People with control think of little else.
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joss | November 10, 10:02 CET
But b!x is right, not only don't the studios have all the power, they also don't have the only voice (no matter how much EW and Variety and LA Times try to 'spin' the strike). The fans support the writers and we are not going to get tired of repeating the truth.
embers | November 10, 10:03 CET
Let me get this straight...the guy whose whole career revolves around writing about entertainment for a magazine is criticizing as frivolous the very people who create that entertainment? Wow, I know somebody who had better not show his face at a Serenity screening anytime soon. ;)
Shiai | November 10, 10:07 CET
Also, I think your films 3 through 5 prove you're a dad. Esp. the picking at it thing. Now you are staying in bed for a few days until you get better, young man. No staying up past midnight reading comics under the covers with a flashlight, either. And I mean it! ;-)
billz | November 10, 10:14 CET
In other news, the WGA East is not happy with Ellen DeGeneres.
jam2 | November 10, 10:21 CET
Joss, the media seems not to be behind you. Well... everybody else is. You guys have the support of the fans, and we may not have the easy access to the masses that media does, but we'll make ourselves heard. The reporting is exactly what you called it: shoddy journalism.
Also, a HUGE thank you from this wannabe writer. I'm in film school right now, learning how to structure everything, right down to this sentence (which I'm sure I screwed up... there's no act two at all.) I wish I could be out there on the picket line with you, but I can't right now. Every time I hear that this strike is about the "future generations" of writers, I just want to hug everybody out there.
I may not make it. I know it's tough. But if (big if) I do, I'll be reaping the benefits of this strike, and words cannot explain how deeply I appreciate that.
Seriously.
jfhlbuffy | November 10, 10:22 CET
Hehehe.
Buffysmglover | November 10, 10:25 CET
See? See why it's a bad idea to enrage brilliant writers? They'll go and write words that cut to the heart of the matter, and shine a big spotlight on what the bullies are doing.
People who create are the rare and valuable, an irreplaceable resource. Distribution is a mechanism which can be accomplished in more than one way, and the methods are changing. The time is coming when the studios will need the writers more than the other way around. These conglomerates would be wise to recognize that this is the juncture to make things better, not worse, for the people who create their media.
Joss... please keep posting. We're all kinda fans of that thing you do with the words...
11thHour | November 10, 10:27 CET
Joss, were you waxing prescient about internet profits? I'll take the percentage; knowing it's being figured out. Mal will find a way.
I want to jump up and down, scream until I’m horse, then kick the shit out of something with my powerful hind legs. I just…don’t…get…it. When I am this fully flummoxed I want to turn green, grow big, and go all Hulk smashy. It’s not my usual approach. Usually I can come up with a simpler way of explaining a complex idea.
But how much damn simpler does it get? Writers are the idea people. They think up the frick’n-frack’n stories. Pluck the story from the ether, like a magician pulling a bunny from a top hat. Only, when this bunny is slaughtered to provide nourishment the bunny handlers feel compelled to diminish the magician’s input into the enterprise? Bizarre. Totally and completely bizarre.
Lets try it this way. Writers are grape farmers. They till their fertile (or desolate) imaginations and bring forth crops. The crops get processed (studios). The wine makers (directors, DPs, and all the others) do their thing. The masses get drunk.
The concept is so startling simple. The creation of this art begins with the writers. How are they not some of the most celebrated individuals in the pipeline?
Is it because anybody can try their hand at growing a grape vine (writing) but only those with expensive machinery are able to turn the grapes into wine? The wine makers know they need the best grapes to make the best wine. And the grape growers know that making a great wine takes skill, nobody’s arguing that.
…is it because the label on the bottle promotes the wine makers and not the grape growers? The label on the bottle is important. It ought to have the writer’s on it. Prominent like. So when I get drunk on a good story I can look for other labels featuring the same writer.
Oh, sour frack’n grapes and holy water! This analogy blows. Jesus created wine, and I guess he did it without grapes. Well, the studios ain’t Jesus. They need the grapes. Done.
It’s too damned simple to argue. How do the studios do it? I guess when they have a lot of people banging on their door at all hours trying to get them to buy grapes to make the next bottle of wine, they can be pretty selective. Frick’n friars! Frick’n gluttonous friars! Got the fancy machinery and are playing god.
We need the studio equivalent of a farmers CO-OP.
..and that’s enough of the obvious for me. I’m more of a Rogue Mocha Porter man, myself.
RhaegarTargaryen | November 10, 10:28 CET
I don't understand why anyone would even buy the "untested technology" argument. Why would the AMPTP fight so hard and dirty to prevent the writers from getting a percentage of nothing? I know Studio Math is a strange and mysterious creature, but there's absolutely no way to make that make sense on this or any other planet that I know of.
Lady Brick | November 10, 10:35 CET
Time for sleeping. In my sleeping cap, clutching my teddy Spike, I drift into the nether world, where unicorns drink from a river of happy songs, and my eigth grade science teacher is naked AGAIN. Yeesh. ZZZZZZ, -j.
joss | November 10, 10:37 CET
BTW, Joss: If Mutant Enemy Day happens, give us enough notice so the PDX Browncoats can send down our representatives and you won't have to beat up any more False b!X's. Thanks.
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electricspacegirl | November 10, 10:41 CET
cymerin | November 10, 10:42 CET
Ahhh, satire. There were 4000 people there. It was awesome.
Pliny | November 10, 10:43 CET
Buffy: "Fire bad. Tree pretty."
Giles: "Oh...bloody hell."
Joss - my muse just went on strike. I was right in the middle of a life-or-death fight between Giles &...the Big Bad of my current fic and...poof! No more thoughts. Hate when that happens.
So, if you happen to stumble across a small, kind of shy, brown-haired, visually-challenged muse holding a picket sign, please be gentle to her.
ShadowQuest | November 10, 10:44 CET
theonetruebix | November 10, 10:50 CET
I was at the rally today. What a sight, what sounds, what a feeling (Flashdance!). The CAA agents bearing pastries on platters was just surreal. And jam2, the Reno 911 guys were giving interviews to all the peeps with cameras, and they were definitely in character. Just... so completely awesome.
My heart swelled with love when I saw the whedonesque table. This fandom rocks.
orphea | November 10, 10:53 CET
cymerin | November 10, 10:59 CET
joss | November 10, 11:05 CET
All I can really say is that I am behind you guys 110% in this - it is not fair that writers only get like 5c per DVD, which I heard is less than what the companies who make the DVD packaging get. That's absurd. These corporations are multi-billion dollar organisations, yet they can't afford to give the writers what they are rightfully entitled to?
Watching the videos of the various showrunners and writers - and then of course the actors, et al out in support of these guys - picketing made me wanna be there because it's such a vital issue. And like some have already said, if it's not dealt with now, then writers won't get a chance to get what they deserve if they don't speak up.
I'm also loving the fact that the entire Grey's Anatomy cast is behind this strike. Hee. :)
But picket as long as you must, Joss and fellow writers, you have a lot of support behind you - and some of that support comes from halfway around the globe! :)
Thomas | November 10, 11:08 CET
RhaegarTargaryen | November 10, 11:09 CET
But then I see a show like Life which for me is the best new show of the season. How do they do it? Does someone or some entity run interference for them so they can get the job well done? Or is it perhaps a nefarious plot to get us addicted? and then BAM! like Heroes the second season turns to poo. Boring poo at that. Although I don't know of any interesting poo except maybe... O.O Time to go back to work.
cabri | November 10, 11:21 CET
lexigeek | November 10, 11:48 CET
I am very excited about Marshall Herskovitz's upcoming series on the Internet. I'd taken notice of "Quarterlife" when he produced it back in 2005, and was devastated when the networks refused to pick up the pilot. He and Ed Zwick are amazing creative minds, much like Joss. I hope that it will be as much a success and a "fuck you" to the MPAA as Radiohead's release of "In Rainbows" was to the RIAA.
I always knew intuitively that there was something wrong with the television industry, but this article makes things very clear. It is very demoralising and I can't help but wonder if the writers/show runners/actors could band together to move away from the obsolete business models that tv studios currently use.
non sequitur | November 10, 11:50 CET
Those poor schlebbs, toiling away for e.g. $78 million in profits a year, it'd bring tears to a glass eye.
So please, just be quiet and above all, be grateful. You could be digging ditches for peanuts. Cancer curing ditches ! Filled with terrorists ! ... Won't somebody think about the children ?
(personally I really feel for the multi-billion dollar studios which, though obligated to their shareholders to make money, are willing to just throw it all away by promoting YOUR shows on the
money pitinternet. It's virtually a public service. And how does the writers section of the public repay them ? Well, with multiple billions of dollars. But where's the love, hmm ?)Saje | November 10, 11:55 CET
I don't get it. What tags?
Buffysmglover | November 10, 12:05 CET
I, did, however, try to explain the impacts of the rally to my second period English class. They snored as if they understood.
Surrender to the blog side! Before ya know it, you'll have an LJ with a personalized Hello Kitty layout!
BrightShiner | November 10, 12:08 CET
Look at the bottom of Joss' post.
theonetruebix | November 10, 12:11 CET
The ones at the end of Big J's post Buffysmglover. Tickled that folk looking for "Avenging Benji" will end up here ;).
And just what was the "missing joke" ? Let the speculation begin.
Saje | November 10, 12:12 CET
"The average annual salary of a Hollywood writer is well in the six figures, often to exceed $200,000."
Yes, that statement was placed in general terms. I nearly fell out of my chair. That kinda' of salary only covers a tiny fraction of the writers, most are struggling just to make ends meet. Ironically, the same article included an interview from a writer who was worried about the length of the strike. A pilot she had wrote was accepted, but was now on hold due to the strike and she only had $6000 to live on until the end. Hmmm, what's wrong with that picture?
And here's the hogwash that really cracks me up. The studios need time to study the market value of the internet. Pleeasse! They pulled this same trick back in '88 with the marketing of home videos and the writers finally gave in to reach a group agreement. Result? Writers only receive $0.03 per sale per copy. I want to say that again. That $19.95 dvd you're buying, the writers get 3 cents. The studio makes 50%-to-60% profit on the typical dvd sale.
Back to the current internet issue, here's some points to ponder. Any of you recall when Ron Moore (of Battlestar Galactica) got hissy with Universal-NBC studios about his websoids about a year ago? Case in point. Viewership of the SCIFI site increased by five times when Moore offered these. Now, do they really expect us to believe this had no effect on their advertising rates? Need time to explore this new market my ass!
Madhatter | November 10, 12:23 CET
Would've just been a cheap knock off of Slightly Irked Lassie anyway.
kerfuffle | November 10, 12:23 CET
Oh, wow! Everyone pick your favorite tag, and maybe more can appear later to give us a larger variety. I choose SOCK MONKEYS.
Buffysmglover | November 10, 12:24 CET
This strike is putting a lot of people in the industry out of work - taking rent checks and health insurance with it.
This strike is taking scripted TV off the air and replacing it with *shudder* reality TV.
This strike will kill the stride of certain shows and put entire staffs out of work - ending careers and murdering beloved characters.
I like to be amongst the first on the bandwagon, so let me say that I'm already tired of the strike and I want it to go away. Others will, of course, jump on as well - although I'm betting that sentiments won't really start to swing until people start to miss their scripted shows. Regardless, as long as both sides make decisions that prolong this thing, I'm not going to be thinking that either side deserves to wear white hats.
jgsugden | November 10, 12:25 CET
Hey don't Bogart that cold medicine dude, pass it over... and keep on keepin' on... postin'. The Man can't keep you down!!!
I am seriously on my own sleep deprivation inspired wackiness myownself. No one's gonna read this, right?
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11thHour | November 10, 12:25 CET
"Studio chiefs who are smart enough to know better even hauled out a tired old maxim attributed to the late MCA titan Lew Wasserman — 'My plumber doesn't charge me every time I flush the toilet' — and repeated it in perfect Karl Rove everybody-stay-on-message lockstep.
Ugh. Lines like that give you a taste of what the entertainment world will be like if management ends up doing its own writing. Not to belabor an already disgusting analogy, but writers — and directors and actors, who have their own renegotiations coming up — aren't the plumber: They're the water. Without them, nothing goes anywhere, and you end up with a toilet full of...well, let's just say 'reruns.'"
To belabor the analogy even more, the water company does charge you every time you flush the toilet. Sure it may be a minuscule amount but it adds up over time, and if the water company supplies 20,000 toilets with water, it makes a pretty decent profit. So if a writer gets half a penny every time a show he's written is streamed online, over time that may just pay his water bill.
cabri | November 10, 12:27 CET
For the sake of context here, everyone remember that the studios were crowing about the DVD residuals being the sticking point to getting anything done. So when the two sides were pulled back for a meeting last Sunday, the WGA took the DVD issue off the table.
The studios continued to say screw you.
So before we go and get self-righteous and pretend that the two sides are somehow both making decisions to prolong this strike, please keep in mind that given the studios BS in the above situation, why should the WGA believe for a moment that the studios would negotiate in good faith without first having to endure the growing pressure of a strike?
The studios said the DVD issue was preventing a deal. The writers took it off the table. The studios still wouldn't deal.
For me, that places the WGA squarely on the side of right.
[ edited by theonetruebix on 2007-11-10 09:32 ]
theonetruebix | November 10, 12:29 CET
At the end of the day the writers aren't striking for world peace, they're striking for a fair piece, in that sense they're not saving the world but then, who is ? Nobody's hat's white in this life, you just try to keep your grey one sparkly ;).
"The average annual salary of a Hollywood writer is well in the six figures, often to exceed $200,000."
Dunno MadHatter, that may not be complete bollocks. That's the problem with averages, they can be skewed very badly by very high (or low) outliers (in this case the 25% of screenwriters that earn 6 figures in a given year). S'why the median, as mentioned on fans4writers is a much better measure.
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Saje | November 10, 12:39 CET
Just because I sold my book to my publisher doesn’t mean that they can then sell pieces of my work off to anthologies, newspapers, or magazines, whether it’s a web publication or paper and ink, without giving me a cut of the profit.
Internet was boilerplate in my contract.
Which is as it should be. Resale is part of the business model of publishing. If an excerpt from To Kill A Mockingbird shows up in an eighth grade textbook, Harper Lee makes a bit of money. Annie Proulx’s Brokeback Mountain is an example of the Holy Grail of publishing. A short story, sold in anthologies, reprinted again and again, film rights…it’s been repackaged and resold again and again and again. Who should profit? Annie Proulx, most definitely. She created something where there was nothing but a blank sheet of paper, and that creation made a lot of people a lot of money, from the typesetter of the first printing, to Ang Lee. Okay, the typesetter made a lot less than Ang Lee. But you get the point.
And it's the same when Joss sells a show to a studio, isn't it? a flurry of jobs are created: Carpenters, wardrobe, casting agents, actors, painters, editors, caterers, drivers...it's like its own small business, generating millions in paychecks going to people, because a writer created something where there was once nothing.
So it's a puzzling thing to me that other writers don't feel a sense of brotherhood, of understanding.
The NYT writer who sneered about "so-called new media"...I mean, I read that hit piece on NYT online - which is the new media. Did the journalist get paid for his article appearing in two different mediums, with two different sets of advertising? Or just once?
If my publisher decided to toss my book up on the net, with an assload of advertising, without giving me a percentage, my agent would go berserk.
If the Times writer just got the same paycheck he would have gotten before the Times was available online, does he not wonder why, if the Times is now getting revenue in bth print and electronic versions, he isn't being paid for more, since his work is being repackaged and resold? Or is he okay with giving away his work on the net for free?
Maybe the Times online is only a promo of the paper version.
Maybe the Sudafed I took just kicked in.
Allyson | November 10, 12:50 CET
Blogging is a perfectly natural and normal outlet for a mature gentleman such as yourself. The risks of blindness have been exaggerated and the rash only lasts a few days if you keep it dry and let the air circulate.
Regarding EW and the NYT, is it simply print media bosses setting the tone or is there some sort of long-standing rivalry/resentment between writers and journalists which comes to the fore at times like these? Whichever, some allies would be handy.
Keep strong. Get healthy. Remember. Air. Circulate.
malcolm | November 10, 12:50 CET
For me, that places the WGA squarely on the side of right.
That's what proves it for me, too. :-)
BTW, do we have a Cheese for Frieda fansite yet? Or a postcard campaign to Save Avenging Benji? It saves time, is all I'm sayin'.
billz | November 10, 12:50 CET
Sudafed. It's Sudafed. Madness.
Allyson | November 10, 12:59 CET
When I buy, for example, the fifth season of Buffy on DVD... how does the residual payment work? Is the four cents split between all the writers who worked on that season? Or does each writer get four cents? Or (less likely) do they get four cents for each episode they penned?
I'd like to think they each got four cents per set, but it wouldn't surprise me if the studios wanted the writers to split four cents into eight (or ten or however many people wrote for season five Buffy).
Joss?
crossoverman | November 10, 13:05 CET
11thHour, we haven't forgotten.
Madhatter | November 10, 13:10 CET
I.e. the journalists assertion may be true (albeit not the "whole truth" so to speak).
Saje | November 10, 13:14 CET
Anywho, it's too bad we'll never see Seven Brides for Seven Draculas, although that sounds like a remake of a Hammer Studios vampire flick. I'm not surprised Entertainment Weekly is not taking the side of labor in this dispute, because it's part of the Warner Brothers empire. Would management own a magazine that tells them they've been jerks in this dispute? I think not. It's better to have a magazine that makes them look good.
Meanwhile, news outlets think the general public care more about Paris or Britney and what they are or aren't wearing than what is a fair wage. Strikes against "real "industries like cars or mining just mean more to people. People are responding to the writers strike as they did when baseball or hockey players went on strike, mostly with apathy.
The public may not care until they wake up one morning, and see ultimate fighting on CBS (this is actually being discussed), American Idol seven days a week, and sitcoms taken from MySpace and YouTube. This is a poor substitute for Ugly Betty, Gregory House and Jack Bauer.
But maybe that feeling may come sooner if NBC really dares to bring back the Tonight Show without Jay Leno. Who would want to guest host, and what A-list star would want to appear?
Anyway, just keep the faith, and hold those pickets high.
[ edited by impalergeneral on 2007-11-10 10:16 ]
[ edited by impalergeneral on 2007-11-10 10:19 ]
impalergeneral | November 10, 13:15 CET
Madhatter | November 10, 13:33 CET
Is this original Joss? If not, whose is it? I plan on using it, I really hope it's Joss.
sadimac | November 10, 13:36 CET
embers | November 10, 13:39 CET
BTW, I believe the DVD residual formula is actually based on percentage of revenue, and the "4 cents" is just a typical value for a $30 DVD. (i.e. A $60 DVD set would produce 8 cents for the writers, and so on.)
jam2 | November 10, 13:42 CET
To go back to power and control: Those with control frequently overestimate the power they possess, most especially when they have less than they want other parties to believe.
When the parties got called back in last Sunday, no doubt the studios saw this as power in their favor. "Hah, see? They talk a good strike game, but here they come crawling into talks again. We've got them now!"
Unfortunately for them, the writers knew that the strike threat was real, and then also proceeded to call the studios' bluff re: DVDs. (Blow number one to the studios' sense of power, and their overconfidence.) Then, once the strike began, most of the showrunners stopped working. (Blow number two to the studios' sense of power, and their overconfidence.)
Point being: They expect a better result because they're still acting as if the writers (and their allies) haven't noticed who actually has the power.
theonetruebix | November 10, 13:51 CET
I didn't read any of the above posts, but I'm sure there's an interesting discussion happening. For now: sleep.
Arabchick | November 10, 13:58 CET
Come be one of my students, BrightShiner! They care!
Kiba | November 10, 14:24 CET
This is from the show runner of TERMINATOR: THE SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES (yeah, it's okay to post):
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I was asssigned to Gate 4A at Warner's--a very small gate only frequented by executives. I thought this was sort of the generic toothpaste of gates until a few fat white dudes rolled past us into the executive lot driving eighty thousand dollar cars and giving us the finger.
And while I have had many suits in many forms over the years tell me to figuratively fuck off as they mangled my screenplays, it is not til you see that actual finger from an actual person do you realize how few times in your adult life someone has actually told you, to quote the great Arnold Schwartzenegger in Terminator: FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE.
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gossi | November 10, 14:32 CET
"They have turned me into a blogger. And that I do not forgive."
Joss, that is the only goodness they have done so far. Please blog on. Here (and elsewhere as well if you so desire, but .... here, really. Please. But lots of rest and lots of fluids. Your mantra for the duration should be "hydrate, hydrate, hydrate".
"CAA agents bearing pastries on platters". Please, someone tell me there are photos.
P.S. I want a teddy Spike ;)
Shey | November 10, 15:07 CET
Don't forget about us completely when you do go back to work, but in the meantime, keep posting (we'd love you to visit Goners!) - and get better soon. We look forward to phlegm-free scripts for Dollhouse - and Goners (pretty please) - when the strike is over.
samatwitch | November 10, 15:11 CET
I must ask, Shey, a teddy Spike?
Madhatter | November 10, 15:24 CET
On the subject of the perception of this issue to the general public, I really hope the average peep on the street finally does the math and sees:
• If new media is really only "promotion" and doesn't generate any money, then why deny writers their percentage of zero?
• If new media is actually a money generating source, then it's only logical that the creative folks who made it possilbe should be paid a fair percentage. The result still will be that the studios will still make a much greater profit than the creative folk are paid. This is certainly not a precedent, it's called residuals, or perhaps a better term is profit sharing.
So when the studios refuse to agree to pay a percentage of the money made from new media, they are as good as admitting that it will be a significant source of revenue... otherwise, they wouldn't care.
This is a pivotal time in how much say creative people have over the content they create. For too long the keys to the kingdom have been held by those who would be happy to keep the creative community virutally powerless and beholden. The Internet is a sea change in how content is distributed, and that means the keys to the kingdom are becoming irrelevant... the doors of distribution won't have locks on them anymore.
11thHour | November 10, 15:41 CET
Vortigun | November 10, 15:49 CET
Love's Bitch | November 10, 15:59 CET
Madhatter | November 10, 16:18 CET
Mr Hughson: Oh, you mean you were frankly dishonest?
The Cat: I tried to be."
Jademaliburoad | November 10, 16:25 CET
The problem lies in that to many people television really is just a way to kill a little time. They don't follow the behind the scenes stuff and so when something like this happens they just don't get it. Most people probably wouldn't be able to name a single writer of their favourite series. Desperate Housewives is absolutely massive but how many of those people watching could care less about reading the names of the people that created it, other than the faces they see on screen?
We are definitely in the minority here at Whedonesque and the various other online fandoms of television series like Supernatural, Lost and Battlestar Galactica. How we follow a show goes way beyond just the story we watch or the actors involved. We actually take notice of the people that created that story and gave those actors words to speak. Because of that we know that the writers are doing the right thing by striking. We know they have no choice and are trying to make certain that their pay in the future is secured and fair as the medium in which they are working is changing. I'm just really hoping that the general public's ignorance in these matters doesn't create a backlash against the writers that will only favour the suits. Maybe the most important thing we can be doing to aid the writers is to get the truth out to those that may not be hearing it.
RockManic | November 10, 16:45 CET
Ultimately, yeah, as soon as these shows start dropping off the air -- and they will, very shortly -- people will piss and moan online. I saw a post online yesterday on one of my sites, which read "Fuck the writers". Because BSG wasn't getting it's full 20 episodes. I was like, yeah, I think you've missed a thing about who actually makes a show happen.
[ edited by gossi on 2007-11-10 13:51 ]
gossi | November 10, 16:50 CET
You am awesomes. That are all. Official!
Craig Oxbrow | November 10, 17:06 CET
"Time for sleeping. In my sleeping cap, clutching my teddy Spike."
Now that's an image I wont be forgetting anytime soon. ;)
Shey | November 10, 17:32 CET
Joss, your voice will always be welcomed here, no matter what.
Madhatter | November 10, 17:34 CET
Madhatter | November 10, 17:40 CET
Madhatter | November 10, 17:44 CET
I write, in part, as well. It is never easy, no matter how easy it is. It gets taken for granted. But as I look around at some of the writers on strike, like Joss and others, there are NO shows without them- these are the people who bring people alive.
Keep ranting, oh royal purpely one.
Dana5140 | November 10, 17:46 CET
Just a thought.
Feel better Joss. Oh, and you don't have to bring the funny for us to be interested in what you have to say. We are not like those guys we women encounter who are only interested in pretending to listen to what a woman has to say if there might be sex involved afterward. Right folks?
Hello?
Anybody there?
It's OK, they'll all rally around in a minute.
;-)
newcj | November 10, 18:03 CET
The hocus-pocus of the studios, "We may have nothing, so we must deny you a percentage of nothing or we will not survive," is such a perfect miniature model of the nonsense we are fed, and most of us buy, every day.
It's right there with the smoke and mirrors approach of-"We can't pay our employees more, and we have to lay people off, so we can afford to pay some CEO, with some mystical nonspecific CEO qualification, gazillions of dollars to run this company into the ground (and then pay him extra to get rid of him.)"
For some reason, much of the public is not only willing, but eager, to buy this kind crazed illogic. Is it, like, identifying with the bullies in the hope that maybe they won't beat you up? That's how the bullies keep control, when they fool us into thinking they have the power.
Interesting how pro-business types are so eager to "trust the market" when it's all about acting cutthroat in their favor, and then think it's unfair when essential workers use their economic power. It's the old Emperor's New Clothes story. Except I think folks really manage to convince themselves that the guy's wearing a great new outfit. Mystifies me.
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toast | November 10, 18:06 CET
I gave copies of Joss's long post earlier this week to students in one of my classes, along with copies of listserv messages concerning this woeful state of academic publishing today, and I spelled out the similarities for the students.
There may be ways in which the writers' strike--particularly with respect to internet returns--might have an effect on other writers' lives, and I wanted my students to understand this. I also wanted my students to understand that, even though they write non-fiction, they contribute to our culture in analogous ways to creative writers, for their work is the product of their own brains and creativity. By the end of this discussion, I think my students saw how this strike might have an impact on their lives apart from interrupting their TV viewing habits.
palehorse | November 10, 18:11 CET
Oh, you know it wasn't a dream, and waking up screaming is so therapeutic :) Someday I will be recognized as the tag futzing graffito genius that I am! Alternately, "Please don't hurt me! It was very late and I was very silly.".
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zeitgeist | November 10, 18:40 CET
The studios/networks are claiming they don't know how much they can earn from the interwebs and need time to study it before they can think about residuals. Then why did Fox and Universal team up to start Hulu? They even pulled eps of The Office from iTunes to put them on Hulu b/c they claimed they weren't getting high enough payments from Apple, IIRC. And if they don't know how to make money from new media, why did they shut down Buffy Sing-Alongs, which I think is some kind of new media, too (I mean, playing a DVD of a cancelled TV show in a movie theatre has to be new, right?), for not having the right license (meaning, not paying for the correct form of rights)? And, as many people have pointed out, if they agree to a percentage instead of a flat fee, then they don't have to know the exact amount, they will just pay out a, you know, percentage, which is something even the esteemed Mr. J. Cobb is able to figure out.
Untruthful lies told by lying liars. It's the search for WMDs all over again. ;-)
er, I mean :-(
no, I really mean >-( <- angry eyes emoticon
Speaking of percentages, IIRC from one of the 10 billion articles I've read online this week, the $.04 per DVD now is a percentage, not a flat fee. I think the percentage is something unbelievably low, like .3%, which the writers want to increase to .6%. Those decimal points are for real; they aren't even talking about an entire percent here, but 2/3 of one. Un-frakkin'-believable that the studios are having such a hissy fit over such small figures, no matter how much that adds up over the course of 200,000 flushes, er, I mean, copies of a DVD sold. ;-)
billz | November 10, 18:46 CET
Now, two things: First, is it possible that the studios are being run by a dark lord of the sith? I haven't seen one Star Wars actor or related person in the fray.
Second, what this strike needs is a good old fashioned hoax. What kind of hoax? I'm torn, I really dont know the best option with the most positive outcome. I was thinking maybe float a story about how WGA will be opening the doors of their television studio in the next 6 months and they are bringing all the on-screen talent with them.
Or...
If this gets ugly, a viral story about how the studios are distributing blankets infected with real viruses to get the writers sick. (Nah, who would ever believe someone could be so blood thirsty and heartless to do that to another human being.)
alexreager | November 10, 19:19 CET
baxter | November 10, 19:23 CET
Really we love it when you post. I can't imagine how disheartening it is to read all the negative media, but if it helps we are all trying to get the word out (the real word, not the negative conglomerate stuff) and we're all 100% behind you.
kballgetlost | November 10, 19:31 CET
It's really a goram shame that you have to strike in respect to that it's had to go this far.
You would think that people would understand without writers like yourself there is no media and no media causes no advertising for people that like to advertise stuff :P
Yes i realise that is a major look on things but hey no advertising no business?
Also it sounds like a line of of firefly regarding the 2.5% as i'm sure you would be aware being the produce/writer/genius of it all "7% of nothing is, carry the zero, nothing!" or something along those lines please correct me if i'm wrong.
But keep up the good fight! behind you 110% even if i am on the otherside of the globe :P
xtallx | November 10, 19:32 CET
Seriously, I'm behind you and all the writers 100%.
Reddygirl | November 10, 20:07 CET
[ edited by Pointy on 2007-11-11 01:54 ]
Pointy | November 10, 20:39 CET
The deal for videos (and later DVDs) was for writers to take an 80% cut in their residual rate, since videos were a new experiment and this would, according to the companies, help keep prices down. Also according to the companies, that rate could be adjusted later. So the writers allowed their residual rate for videos and DVDs to be .3%
22 years later and that rate has never changed, even though DVDs are cheaper to produce, ship and store. Writers are asking for that rate to be increased to .6%, which is still nowhere near the original residual rate they got for reruns. The companies flatly refused, originally saying this was the dealbreaker. When the WGA pulled that demand at the last minute, the companies still refused to negotiate and walked away, telling the writers to keep the results quiet and then going out and blasting their skewed version on all the news media.
What the companies are really holding fast on is new media, i,e, the Internet and phone streaming and whatever. If they can hold out and not pay the writers anything for those, when the audience moves towards online entertainment as their main source the writers will be completely shut out. Writers are already feeling the pinch as networks show fewer reruns, opting instead to just put the episodes online.
The part to remember is that residuals are not bonuses or extra money. Residuals are the second half of the money originally promised. The companies are trying to weasel out of them, and doing everything they can to keep the viewing public confused about it.
C. A. Bridges | November 10, 20:44 CET
There's one here, and I know I saw another one but I can't find it right now.
theonetruebix | November 10, 20:45 CET
It should be noted that, besides the CAA churros, the William Morris Agency had a table staffed by assistants offering coffee and bagels. There were also donuts of unknown (to me) provenance. I saw a chocolate-covered buttermilk, got all Homer Simpson and went, "Mmm, donut!," ate it and then wondered if someone anti-strike had spiked the donuts with something nasty. Haven't become any more mutated than I already am, so I guess not. Several people were sporting picket signs with the image of Montgomery Burns and the simple acronym AMPTP.
Shapenew | November 10, 20:47 CET
have a great deal of sympathy for the writers I am very unclear
as to the justness of their cause. To this point I haven't seen
anything that adequately explains their position on how the
internet impacts them.
I have seen one person saying that internet downloading will
replace residuals from reruns. That certainly is not the
situation at present and if there is a case for making it so, it
has yet to be made. That doesn't mean that a case can't be made.
The producers have been saying that at present the internet usage
currently in dispute is promotional in nature and there are no
revenues associated with it. Some of the writers claim that there
ARE revenues, the general ad revenues of the site. That is a lame
argument so there must be something more at play.
My internet usage of TV shows has been to catch up with missed
episodes of certain shows. When a show is highly scripted
anything that helps you catch up is a godsend and that is imho
promotional in nature. Also watching a show on a computer monitor
will never relplace watching on the average TV.
So would someone puhlease explain the internet impact a little
better? Thx.
The most damaging thing I have read was the article by Marshall
Herskovitz. Quite frankly I was appalled. I thought that the 1995
FCC rule change had only allowed a severely limited amount of
network ownership. If the article is correct this needs to be
changed immediately.
JDL | November 10, 20:49 CET
better? Thx.
When you "catch up" on a show -- ie watching the work the writers and exec producers have done -- they get paid nothing, as the networks currently refer to it as promotional. You might think that is fine. The writers do not.
gossi | November 10, 20:53 CET
Why?
Streaming episodes online have ads in them. Presumably the companies are being paid for that advertising. Why shouldn't the writers get a cut of that revenue?
And while watching on a TV is now the norm, more and more people are hooking their computers up to flatscreen TVs to watch downloaded material, and there is every sign this will become more common. As stated in my previous post, the last time the WGA and the companies made a contract the writers were lied to and stiffed. I don't see why they ahve any reason to expect anything different now.
C. A. Bridges | November 10, 20:57 CET
By your own admission, your usage of streaming videos has been to catch up on missed shows. Why don't you just wait until they get rerun on TV? That's when the writers get the residuals -- agreed-upon deferred payment for the script, money they were promised.
But instead it is more convenient for you to go online the next day and catch it there, and this is fine. Except the writers get nothing for that, and it's a trend that is clearly growing. They want to settle this now, before it becomes the norm.
[ edited by C. A. Bridges on 2007-11-10 18:03 ]
C. A. Bridges | November 10, 21:02 CET
gossi | November 10, 21:05 CET
Lioness | November 10, 21:05 CET
But the whole point, JDL, is that broadband and internet are merging technologies and before long it will ALL be the same thing. If the writers allow themselves to be shut out of the new technologies then they will be shut out of all residuals for the future.
Historically and traditionally it has been seen as good for society to protect the rights of the creative talents, and to control the greed of the corporations. This is a righteous fight.
embers | November 10, 21:21 CET
Exactly gossi which means it'll only grow in the future since the networks are currently crapping themselves about DVRs and skippable advertising.
The inclusion of ads is key as far as i'm concerned. Frankly, there's no way to tell how many people view online that have already viewed by broadcast, to those people the streaming shows basically are promotional tools BUT as long as the network is being paid for the advertising i.e. is making money from the streamed shows then why shouldn't the writers get their share ?
It's been said ad nauseam but a mere percentage costs the studios nothing if the shows make no money so why not just accept it ? The only reason that suggests itself is the studios know that streamed shows will be huge and want to keep as much (or all) of the pie for themselves. That's not on.
Saje | November 10, 21:21 CET