A Pushing Daisies Review.
"It's as if Tim Burton and Joss Whedon had a love child."
As a major fan of both Tim and Joss I just loved this incredibly accurate comment about the best new show on TV and I wanted to point it out to spread the joy I experienced from reading it.
October 10 2007
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And it was born without a heart. What a terrible show.
I can understand the comparison, more to Burton than Whedon. But the first episode was so bleak, so heavy-handed and so unappealing to me, that I won't be watching again. The narration drove me insane. The premise was handled carelessly. The core relationship was completely unbelievable.
But I already know I'm in the minority on this.
crossoverman | October 10, 10:03 CET
Its weird but thats what every single person at my old high school said about Buffy the Vampire Slayer when I told them that it was my favorite show. In fact I've never actually met anybody in person who likes Buffy. And that makes me very sad.
[ edited by xerox on 2007-10-10 07:16 ]
xerox | October 10, 10:10 CET
Cyantre | October 10, 10:54 CET
xerox | October 10, 11:14 CET
theMidnighter | October 10, 12:35 CET
I've only seen one episode so far, so we'll see where it goes, but I'm loving this show so far.
And yah, I see where they get the unholy alliance of Tim Burton and Joss Whedon - it's rich and dark and charming and uncanny and whimsical and frothy all rolled up together into one Big Dark Chocolate Pie. Um, TV show. Which looks like a Movie. Narrated by that Voice that Harry Pottered me so well and signifies with his first syllable, "Once upon a time..."
QuoterGal | October 10, 12:41 CET
But this is a one-of-a-kind show, one that no-one has done exactly like this before. And it is excellent. And, like QuoterGal and The Midnighter, I am loving it so far!
sandyg | October 10, 12:49 CET
[ edited by Trek_Girl42 on 2007-10-10 10:03 ]
Trek_Girl42 | October 10, 13:02 CET
BTW, I started out a bit confused about the Jim Dale love from the Yank contingent (don't see you guys being big into the "Carry on ..." films. Oooh nooo, matron ;) until I found out he does the US Harry Potter audiobooks (the truly inimitable Stephen Fry reads the UK versions).
It's just not... intimate, I guess, the POV is from somewhere a little distant ...
I think it's hard to be whimsical and intimate (whimsicality seems to have an "outside looking in" quality to it IMO, a slight abstraction from reality), and this show has whim out the wazoo. And also, from a character perspective, "distant" is basically a single word summary of Ned at the start of his (assumed) arc - could be Fuller knows this and the show will gradually become more intimate as it progresses.
(agreed though QG, even though it was thematically similar, "Dead Like Me" was too earthy, helped - as the review mentions - by the swearing, to be as distant)
But the first episode was so bleak ...
Sure it's bleak, part of what makes it funny and poignant for me is its lightness in the face of the darkest aspect of being human i.e. knowing what we have in store for us, whether it's tomorrow or in a hundred years - we're the only creatures on this planet, maybe the entire universe, that can laugh in the face of certain death and that, IMO, makes us mighty. Saw a quote on Slashdot years ago that stuck, no idea where it's from but it captures the feel of 'Pushing Daisies' perfectly I reckon: "I looked into the abyss and the abyss looked into me - and we both winked" ;).
(the original quoter never offered apologies to Nietzsche's shade so neither will I ;)
Saje | October 10, 13:31 CET
toast | October 10, 13:49 CET
There is an interesting read over at the futon critic called the 10 things you need to know about the new season. There is a Buffy mention on the #5 thing. Also check out their new feature "Ask the futon", for another interesting read.
RavenU | October 10, 15:18 CET
I can't wait to see tonight's episode.
Nebula1400 | October 10, 15:31 CET
maje | October 10, 15:42 CET
madmolly | October 10, 16:25 CET
yamsham | October 10, 16:33 CET
I've adored Jim Dale since I saw Joseph Andrews (checks IMDB Gasp! 30 years ago.) I didn't know he'd read the Harry Potter books until I read those reviews. That might just get me to finally give the ones past the first one a go.
Sassafras | October 10, 16:41 CET
Them's some big words right there! I've seen the first episode, and I enjoyed it immensely. I see the nods to their work, and similarities to the magical tales they both like to tell. However, I wanna see how the rest of the season pans out before making too much of a judgement. I'm just unsure they creators can keep up the pace at which they've started. I really hope we get more than a short season, and I also really hope the networks don't push it into an 'Ed' box. That'd be kinda sad.
nixygirl | October 10, 17:00 CET
sungoesdark | October 10, 17:25 CET
I know this may be a matter of semantics but I detest "whimsy" and I don't think Joss ever indulged in it. It's a very different animal from eccentric and witty. So I totally disagree that the dialog sounds like something Joss might write, Joss could write circles around it with only half his creative brain engaged, IMO.
Shey | October 10, 18:20 CET
karosurly | October 10, 18:43 CET
Glory and Angelus both engaged in whimsy, among others in the Buffyverse (and whimsy can be witty too, they're not mutually exclusive. A lot of Oscar Wilde's stuff is chock full of whimsical wit for instance ;).
Fair play though, it's very Burtonesque, if you don't like him I doubt you'll like "Pushing Daisies". Horses/courses ;).
Saje | October 10, 18:48 CET
kerfuffle | October 10, 19:02 CET
deepgirl187 | October 10, 19:08 CET
lexigeek | October 10, 19:13 CET
I loved the first episode, and I imagine I will continue to love it...until it gets cancelled. I will say that I commented that it wouldn't last because most people wouldn't get it and wouldn't have the patience/intelligence/soul/heart to commit to something so unusual (but then again, we Whedongeeks aren't 'usual' now, are we?!?! ;-).
OzLady | October 10, 20:00 CET
luvspike | October 10, 20:15 CET
shambleau | October 10, 20:27 CET
Not since I first laid my eyes on Firefly back on my tiny, static ridden TV back in '02 have I loved a show so completely from the moment the end credits rolled. I took a second look at Pushing Daisies online, and found myself every bit as affected the second time around. Glorious.
Fuller has served up a fairy-tale, Tim Burton style, with all of the warm whimsy of Edward Scissorhands. The pie-lette was not bleak, not in the least. I would go so far as to say that it was, in fact, the polar opposite of bleak. It was too full of charm, and giddy looks, and some very, very funny lines. It was lush and promising, and a delight to watch. Props to Lee Pace, Anna Friel, and the hilarious eye-rolling Chi McBride. Great cast chemistry.
No, when I think bleak, I think of Children of Men. Not something that feels like this.
Anyone daring to do anything different on T.V. is getting the "Like Whedon" stamp these days, when the writer cannot find other ways of explaining it. This is very different.
Or maybe it's a conspiracy to start a cult following, a grass-roots love movement.
My only question is: how long before we get some Whedonverse cast and crew involved in this little gem?
[ edited by Raggedy Edge on 2007-10-10 17:34 ]
Raggedy Edge | October 10, 20:33 CET
Trek_Girl42 | October 10, 20:47 CET
Numfar PTB | October 11, 02:47 CET
Nebula1400 | October 11, 03:23 CET
Sure it's bleak, part of what makes it funny and poignant for me is its lightness in the face of the darkest aspect of being human i.e. knowing what we have in store for us, whether it's tomorrow or in a hundred years - we're the only creatures on this planet, maybe the entire universe, that can laugh in the face of certain death and that, IMO, makes us mighty.
It's deceptively light, for sure. But to me, it doesn't celebrate life at all. The show actually depressed me. The light stuff, the whimsey - it was all a lie. Not one part of it rang true. Not one part of the pilot made me feel anything but depressed - for these people and for me, having to endure this story.
The voice-over didn't help. I know people argue that this is a fairy-tale, but *damn* did it have to be so heavy-handed? Did it have to tell me what I was watching?
But the basic premise disrespects life. Apparently it's up to the main character who gets to live and die. Keeping Chuck alive meant someone died - and he just shrugged his shoulders, figuring someone who stole from the dead deserved to die. He killed Chuck's father and somehow I'm supposed to be sympathetic? (Yes, I know it wasn't his fault, but how do I get past that? How can Chuck?)
And we're supposed to think the main guy and Chuck are in love? WTF? Because they kissed once? No, just no. Sure, I suppose she's grateful for him resurrecting her, but *damn*... now they have to endure a life of never touching? Seriously - that's just too painful for me to endure.
The comparison to Tim Burton is apt because it reminds me of "Edward Scissorhands" - he couldn't hold the girl who fell in love with him either. It's one of my favourite films ever. But I wouldn't watch it every week.
I think it's an insult to compare it to Joss, whose series all celebrate life. And respect death. And have witty dialogue. And characters I can empathise with. For me, "Pushing Daisies" had none of that.
crossoverman | October 11, 04:37 CET
These were also sweet shows with a darkness.
Has he not earned the right to have his own shows referred to as "Fuller-esque"?
Pushing Daisies is my favorite new show of the season. I hope the writers and producers can maintain or exceed the high level of quality they have already achieved. Well done, everyone!
Hjermsted | October 11, 09:01 CET
Though the events can certainly be read that way, you have to completely ignore the tone to get that from it IMO.
(friend of mine used to break classics down by strictly literal interpretations - for a joke in her case ;) - so "It's a Wonderful Life" would be something like "Small town loser decides to kill himself then, after becoming delusional, gets bribed to stay by all the people that'd have to get off their own arse and work if he left" ;)
Saje | October 11, 10:18 CET
hacksaway | October 11, 11:02 CET
It's got an edge to it that isn't remotely Disneyesque, though. Today a friend told me it reminds her of Lemony Snicket's 'A Series of Unfortuate Events' in tone, which I haven't seen, so I can't judge. Simply, she loves it. And I love Lee Pace and Kristin Chenowith (which, who knew she could sing like a bird?). It's well made, inventive, and it's got amazingly strange plot ideas. We're both happy. :)
Wiseblood | October 11, 11:31 CET
Yeah, Wiseblood, I thought of the Lemony Snickett movie, too, but I wanted that movie to be so much better than it was I was sortof suppressing it - but there's definitely a something similar in tone that I do like - sortof Edward Gorey-esque - as well as the look of Toys, as Saje mentioned above.
QuoterGal | October 11, 12:33 CET
mangydog | October 11, 12:49 CET
However. I can't draw too much comparisions to buffy and angel and firefly except that I love this show too.
Fuller is amazing.
-Hacksaway
That guy did remind me alot of joss lol! They look vaguely similiar.
Lockescythe | October 11, 15:25 CET
Last night's episode was confirmation for me that the pielette was not a fluke. The musical number alone was worth the (lack of) price of admission. And Chi McBride is wonderful on the show it's really great to see him in something where he gets to use his funny skills cause he's got a lot of them.
And was I the only one who noticed they got to point a gun directly at the camera, I thought that was TV's biggest no no.
theMidnighter | October 11, 16:24 CET
Tim Burton is whimsical, but not Joss, whom I still maintain could write something better than this in his sleep. He would never do something so self-consciously precious and nauseatingly "cutesy". And the narration is right out of Desperate Housewives, but with a British accent, WTF is that about?
I did give it another go tonight, lasted about half way through before the diabetic coma threatened to set in. The "darkness" is a ruse, it's all cotton candy. And the lead's acting style reminds me of Pee Wee Herman. And so say all of us who are me. :)
Shey | October 11, 16:50 CET
noun
1. an odd or fanciful or capricious idea; "the theatrical notion of disguise is associated with disaster in his stories"; "he had a whimsy about flying to the moon"; "whimsy can be humorous to someone with time to enjoy it" [syn: notion]
2. the trait of acting unpredictably and more from whim or caprice than from reason or judgment; "I despair at the flightiness and whimsicality of my memory" [syn: flightiness]
Now, surely Glory and (IMO) also Angelus engaged in whimsy[2] and i'd say the (occasionally extremely) fanciful wanderings of e.g. Willow and Xander qualify as whimsy[1]. I've also seen it defined as excessive playfulness (let's call that [3]) and I think quite a few of Joss' characters engaged in that too - usually to defuse a tense situation or as a pomposity pricker (I might put the fabulous "She is too a whizz" ... "If ever a wiz there was" in [3] and Glory deciding whether to off someone in [2]).
Maybe a wee variation on the "no true Scotsman" fallacy Shey ? I.e. you don't like whimsy so, if you like it, it can't be whimsy, right ? ;-)
Think we may have to agree to differ on this one (which I almost prefer to agreeing to agree ;).
(totally with you re: too cutesy or cloyingly sentimental BTW - I can't sit through e.g. "AI" because of exactly that - I just see "Pushing Daisies" as irreverent enough in its approach to offset that, rather than cutesy i'd just call it a consciously heightened and fantastical reality. And to pop back to something crossoverman said above, why should we respect death ? Nick his scythe then pull his cloak up and kick him in the nads I say, bugger's had it in for me since I was born ;)
Saje | October 11, 18:10 CET
ruthless1 | October 11, 20:13 CET
Desperately quirky, with an irritating premise.
Impossible to maintain suspension of disbelief, as it's physically impossible to live with a dog for ~20 years without touching it. Add to that the casualness the two main characters take with close contact (ie. when they broke the monkeys at the end, if they didn't touch hands they only missed by millimeters). Add how easily the eminintly forgettable woman was (I've already forgotten the character's name) able to handle the fact that she had died and been resurrected. And then how she then allowed herself to nearly get buried alive. Etc, Etc.
Sorry. I'd rather watch Family Fued re-runs. Even worse, if I had to choose between them I'd rather watch Survivor (which I have never watched BTW).
rkayn | October 11, 20:59 CET
It isn't supposed to be real. If anything, it's the anti-reality show, which is so refreshing in an era of gravely realistic procedural dramas and *bleh* reality programmng.
Pushing Daisies is a charming, edgy fairy tale, beautifully crafted, and does what I love ~ it surprises.
It's definitely a specialty show, with a unique quirkiness. For those that don't care for that, there's plenty of other types of programs out there to watch... and a lot of them copy each other. Part of Pushing Daisies amazing quality is that it made it to a major network. It's so different! I haven't watched the major networks in years... literally. Chuck, Heroes, Bionic Woman and Pushing Daisies all got me watching again. Frankly, I'm stunned at such an array of great shows. I truly hope the widespread TV watching audience will embrace these series, we need creative, scripted shows.
Best of all? None of them are on FOX.
11thHour | October 11, 23:25 CET
I don't think the problem, for those who don't like it, is either non-realism/suspension of disbelief, or a question of quality. It is, truly, a question of taste. (Unlike a lot of things folks say are a question of taste-when really they just don't want to discuss something.)
Because there is no question but that this show is mannered, a little arch- even the colors are heightened and shimmery, and that is just not the sort of thing everyone likes-regardless of how well done. Whether you call it "whimsy" or not.
Sure, you can't live with a dog for 20 years without touching it, but it is also true that there are no monsters and people can't leap tall buildings in a single bound. Doesn't mean there's no emotional realism when those things are going on. But some people are just allergic to some styles. I'd just say though, that it might be worth a little more sampling-lots of great stuff I now admire put me off at first .
This show has its own conventions-different ones, which are developing, and hopefully will continue to develop. They are, thus far, non-standard, so they stick out a little more , starting outt. I'm hoping it lives up to its early promise-it's not much like anything else...and is that ever rare for tv.
[ edited by toast on 2007-10-12 11:09 ]
toast | October 11, 23:26 CET
OzLady | October 12, 03:14 CET
But that's the thing, this show doesn't have any "emotional realism" (as you so aptly put it) either. THAT is my primary problem.
"I was murdered and then resurrected? OK!"
"They are about to bury me alive? I guess I'll just quietly wait here in my coffin. Maybe someone will show up and rescue me."
And then people here are comparing the writing to Joss's!!!
Imagining Buffy season 1 finale by the Pushing Daisies writer:
"You're telling me I'm fated to get killed by the Master?
rkayn | October 12, 06:20 CET
I can but unfortunately only in the down direction (so far). It's a bit of a solution looking for a problem really ;).
Well put toast. When some people like something for the exact reasons other people don't then it surely just boils down to taste. Even the matter-of-factness (what some see as flatness) of the dialogue and delivery appeals to me, it's funny precisely because it's so out of place amongst all the weirdness.
(i'm quite tickled by the "realism" criticism though rkayn. Vampires, werewolves and FTL communications are all super-fine but keeping a dog for 20 years without touching it is totally unbelievable ?!? And more importantly, it kinda feels like "realism" may not be what Fuller et al are aiming for, y'know ? ;)
Saje | October 12, 13:03 CET
I too find the matter-of-fact/detached tone amusing and the odd sometime strange passivity of the characters a plus for the funny. They seem almost dazed- which in light of the constant, unignorable proximaty (sp?) of death is really pretty appropriate. But they are all always trying to connect, even the dog. I think it's cool.
toast | October 12, 17:57 CET