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Can't the stop copy editing!

�The �must' is not to be argued with,� Whedon said. should read �The �muse' is not to be argued with,� Whedon said.

The One True b!X | July 31, 07:32 CET

I really can't wait for more Melanka.

the FAT indian | July 31, 07:36 CET

Another note... I'm pretty sure Joss said he HAD written �Cabin in the Woods� with Drew, not that he was going to.

Lady Brick | July 31, 07:37 CET

Thanks, B!x, muse that makes a lot more sense.

�It's been a rough couple of years, because I assume I've been forgotten,� Whedon said. �And them I come here. Your support means everything.�

Never forget. Never surrender.

We hold.

Anonymous1 | July 31, 07:48 CET

Lady Brick, he definitely said he had, not he was going to, so you're quite right.

Also, in that quote in Anonymous1's comment, another edit: "then I come here", not "them I come here".

The One True b!X | July 31, 08:08 CET

I thought Joss referred to his merry Marvel mid-life crisis, but now I'm wondering if CCI knows something about someone named Mary Marvel!?
But that is just nit-picking, I'm glad they did a good write up to augment the one already here at Whedonesque.

embers | July 31, 08:13 CET

You don't know Mary Marvel?! I'm pretty sure she was at that dinner...

cabri | July 31, 08:20 CET

I really can't wait for more Melanka.

Is that Melaka's sister?? :~P

Funny thing, when Joss announced that he was going to do 'Ripper', I totally misheard him say 'River'. And while everyone was cheering, I looked at my husband and said, "I didn't know he was doing a River project." He just looked at me dumbly and said, "Uh, Ripper. As in, Giles!!" I think hubby is planning on teasing me with that for many moons to come.

Rogue Slayer | July 31, 08:24 CET

Well, there is in fact a comic book character named Mary Marvel.

KernelM | July 31, 08:24 CET

I assumed he was talking about Mary Marvel, who herself seems to be going through some sort of life crisis at the moment. And we all know what assuming make you.

[ edited by Lady Brick on 2007-07-31 06:39 ]

Lady Brick | July 31, 08:33 CET

"Merry Marvel" is a term used by Marvel Comics back in the day. I believe it was part of a club or something, The Merry Blank Blank Marvel Society Blah Blah, I can't remember the name exactly.

Anyway, I think he meant that writing the books was something he always wanted to do, so even though it was time-consuming and so forth, he did it and it's crossed off the list. Akin to a mid-life crisis, only with more ruby quartz lenses and best dragons ever.

Brian Lynch | July 31, 09:13 CET

Amazing to see more hope for a continuation of so many wonderful concepts! Squuueeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahem, am I the only one who did a double take at the name in purple not being Joss?

Ceslas | July 31, 09:37 CET

I get giddy every time I read about the ballet and Ripper.

It's not quite the TV series for which he is given free reign and limitless budget that we'd get in ideal-world, but still: eee!

Jobo | July 31, 09:41 CET

Merry Blank Blank Marvel Society Blah Blah

Merry Marvel Marching Society.

deanna b | July 31, 09:51 CET

Since the one account was brief and now off the main page

Sauce! It still is. Just look a little to the right.

Yours,

Amused Whedonesque admin

p.s. I like Joss being back and all fighting fit and raring to go.

Simon | July 31, 10:23 CET

p.s. I like Joss being back and all fighting fit and raring to go.

Really, that's the Joss-related headline from Comic-Con this year, since the bulk of his pre-Q&A talk (as near as I could tell) was about being at the point where he's starting to see various smaller/different ways of getting things done as within reach (creator-owned comics, Ripper via BBC, short film ballet for Summer, etc.) -- and I suspect the next two years might be some of the most interesting Joss years in awhile.

Now I just hope that his drive-by reference, in two interviews last year to "radio plays" amongst a list of forms in which one might do some work actually turns out to be something that's sitting on those 12 clipboards of his.

[ edited by theonetruebix on 2007-07-31 07:41 ]

The One True b!X | July 31, 10:41 CET

Okay, here's my theory, which is my theory. This theory which belongs to me is as follows. Ahem. The next thing that I am about to say is my theory... Ahem. Ready?

Well, I think that Joss's ~~hellish torture~~ learning experience with Wonder Woman - working on someone else's original concept and under someone else's more narrow creative control- was so immensely frustrating that liberation from it has freed up his creative juices, not to mention a piece of his soul.

Having that big old weight off his shoulders has helped let out all the other cool, more Jossian things inside - the stuff that we want to see, and allowed him to re-frame and express himself and push on through in a groovy new way.

Huzzah for dumping the stuff that holds us back, and mega-hurrahs for Jossir with 50% more Jossian flavour.

That was my theory, which was not about dinosaurs.

QuoterGal | July 31, 11:48 CET

Who was that masked theoretician ?

Yeah, the way the panel comes across, I can't help but imagine 'Gonna Fly' playing in the background as Joss gets back into shape, ready to kick major smaller project ass.

Also,

�horror film to end all horror films, literally.�

If he means "writer-careful-with-words-'literally'" then that sounds really interesting, maybe some kind of deconstruction ? 'Cabin in the Woods' sounds almost like the Ur horror movie, wonder if they're doing something that looks at the template, a la 'Scream', and asks some questions, possibly with a feminist slant ?

(if he just means "human-not-that-careful-so-not-literally-literally" then it's only really interesting - hey, Joss and Drew, it's at least really interesting ;).

Saje | July 31, 13:12 CET

I think he made Ripper sound more definite than this implies. He surely sounded greenlight-y to me.

dreamlogic | July 31, 15:54 CET

Hah. I nearly made some copy editing comments on a post a few weeks ago. Posting places like here where people are pretty careful about clarity and grammar has made me even less tolerant of bad editing on the rest of the interwebs. But it's especially bad when someone's being quoted from an event, and the text will be used by many as a primary source. Hopefully someone will repair the errors on ComicBookResources.com.

Sunfire | July 31, 18:56 CET

More greenlight-y as in optioned, yeah? Its gonna be a sweet couple years to be a Joss-fan. Count me in on the amused/bemused/confused re: Mary Marvel vs. Merry Marvel :) Its a funny image, but I imagine he said Merry.

zeitgeist | July 31, 18:57 CET

So Joss still regrets not being able to bring back Tara? Hey, he has a comic book now...

I would have loved to have seen that reunion between Willow and Tara as he described it, with Buffy being the instigator, using her sole life-altering wish to bring back Tara. I even wrote a short story based on that scene. I agree it would have been a "signature moment." Talk about rewarding your best friend for all she's done for the cause!

Maybe Joss is hinting at the future? Who knows. One can hope. He's a sneaky cat.

quantumac | July 31, 18:57 CET

Simon's mumbling "screw Tara, bring back Riley" as we 'speak' ;)

zeitgeist | July 31, 19:05 CET

I think he made Ripper sound more definite than this implies. He surely sounded greenlight-y to me.

I'm fairly certain he said there were no deals actually in place. But he sounded like things were likely moving forward.

The One True b!X | July 31, 19:44 CET

Well of course "the must is not to be argued with." That is the nature of the must. The "should", however, leaves some wiggle room.
On the other hand, I am puzzled by "his fist half-dozen attempts to open his mouth were drowned out."

�It's been a rough couple of years, because I assume I've been forgotten,� Whedon said.

Joss, come visit here more often. You'll see how forgotten you aren't.

barboo | July 31, 20:26 CET

Barboo: when Joss came out on stage he had a cheering standing ovation, and when he would raise the mike to his mouth to start speaking the cheering just got louder, so that is what they meant: his first attempts to speak were drowned out, but in the good loving him way.

embers | July 31, 20:36 CET

I think maybe barboo was just wondering how Joss' fist got involved.

I'm kinda fond of "the must is not to be argued with" even if it should be "the muse." We've been using it all day chez moi.

QuoterGal | July 31, 21:24 CET

Well of course "the must is not to be argued with." That is the nature of the must. The "should", however, leaves some wiggle room.

I did wonder at first if "must" was witty word usage.

Sunfire | July 31, 21:33 CET

so that is what they meant: his first attempts to speak were drowned out, but in the good loving him way

Which is the only Joss moment I managed to capture on camera.

The One True b!X | July 31, 21:43 CET

theonetruebix: and an "interesting" pose it was for Joss. Either he's trying to strangle the microphone, or ... I won't go there.

quantumac | July 31, 22:04 CET

Which is the only Joss moment I managed to capture on camera.

But that's my favorite shot of Joss of all, b!X. It's like that's the moment he realized that we really really missed him. I couldn't believe that he had any doubts at all, and now I want to hug his head too. (Except of course that was strictly a one-time deal!!)

cabri | July 31, 22:13 CET

I'm not sure how Joss can think we've forgotten him. There isn't a day which goes by that I'm not checking to see if anything's new in the Buffyverse. Now the network and Hollywood executives may go, "Joss who?", but then Joss should remember they are a notoriously shallow, forgetful and dim witted lot.

Joss just needs to connect with the right people who will fork over the money and not doubt his genius.

quantumac | July 31, 22:30 CET

Yeah, love that Jossy-shot, b!x. It says a bunch.

QuoterGal | July 31, 22:36 CET

Thank you B!x: I was sitting back too far to take any photos, but I knew that someone would take one and post it, and this one is perfect!

embers | July 31, 22:51 CET

Either he's trying to strangle the microphone, or ... I won't go there.

Practicing his lightsabre pose ? What's wrong with that ?

Simon's mumbling "screw Tara, bring back Riley" as we 'speak' ;)

Well, somebody has to die and it seems a bit off to kill Tara again.

Disclaimer: I don't actually mind Riley - before all the Riley fan gets up in my grill ;)

Saje | July 31, 22:54 CET

b!x:

Can't the stop copy editing!

ah, the irony in that sentence's need for its own copy-edit is lovely! :)

stuart | July 31, 23:03 CET

I wish I could say that was intentional on my part. Alas, while sometimes clever, I was not in this instance clever in the least.

[ edited by theonetruebix on 2007-07-31 20:10 ]

The One True b!X | July 31, 23:08 CET

Forgotten? Not so much.

"The must is not to be argued with"--That's what I keep telling my daughter.

I like QG's theory (even if there are no dinosaurs in it), and I've also been wondering about that use of "literally." I've been trying to figure out how the plot could involve ending all horror movies, but I'm not getting anywhere.

jcs | July 31, 23:34 CET

And then there's the dust. As anyone who tries to keep a reasonably clean home knows, the dust is not to be argued with.

And QuoterGal is right. My question is how fists got involved with Joss speaking. Although that picture from B!x does...um, he was holding his light-sabre in his fist?

barboo | August 01, 20:07 CET

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