Whedonesque Mobile : Comments on 11545 : 'Heroes' picked up for a full season.

Has he appeared on the show yet? I can't remember seeing him... (Saw him on the season premiere of Smallville, though.)

He was in last night's episode. The man at the bar whose mind Matt couldn't read.

Nice catch Polter-Cow! I didn't even recognize him in that scene.

If you're talking about the mysterious one who was in the shadows, I believe that is actually Jimmy Jean-Louis. http://imdb.com/name/nm1097515/

I could be wrong -- I mean, it was pretty dark in that corner!

[ edited by Browncoat on 2006-10-10 23:45 ]

YellowBear | October 11, 01:45 CET

Yeah, I've been looking for Leonard Roberts in Heroes ever since it was announced he was gonna be in it ("D.L. Hawkins") but I haven't seen him yet -- wasn't he supposed to play (erm) an prison inmate?

I've missed a total of about 20 minutes from all the episodes combined, so it's possible I just missed seeing 'em, but doubt it...

QuoterGal | October 11, 02:03 CET

Now I'm confused - IMDB says Leonard Roberts was in the last two episodes of heros, but I don't remember seeing him.

Oops - Quoter Gal beat me to it, but hey! I finally figured out how to turn a word into a link! I'm proud.

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Fitz | October 11, 02:10 CET

No he has not showed up yet. From last nights episode, he is married to the stipper with the murder streak. His mother claims he was falsely convicted of some murders. He has escaped from prison, he was not the one in the bar last night episode. It will be interesting to see if he has any powers, and if he is going to prove his wife is the murderer. Did anybody else freak when Clare woke up in the morgue already openned up. Yikes, but got a bit giddy seeing next weeks episode where she takes lover boy for a ride and shows him what she can do. Can't wait for that.

RavenU | October 11, 02:11 CET

Yep, I gave a big Hurley "Doooooode" gasp at the morgue scene.

Fitz | October 11, 02:13 CET

I thought it was him in the bar scene. But thanks for the heads up!

Yeah that was pretty gross. How do explain your way out of that? Or even put yourself back together? It is not the same as poping a bone back in place. Her dad would have had to be notified before the autopsy right?

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Donna Troy | October 11, 02:14 CET

I was pleasantly surprised by Heroes. I expected it to be, well, dumb. Instead, I'm somewhat intrigued. And I adore Hiro. I love that they are using Japanese dialogue with English subtitles. The last thing I tried to watch on NBC was Revelations and I was bored silly. This is cool and last night's ending was a surprise indeed. (Ribs, anyone?) So that was Forrest in the bar! Aha. He's hotter in Heroes than in Buffy. And what about the British/Indian guy? Yum. But yeah, Heroes is surprisingly good and re-airs on SciFi on Friday nights at 7:00, and again on Mondays at 7:00. I'm anxious to see how the lives of these very different heroes intertwine.

ETA: Ok, so maybe that wasn't Forrest in the bar... well, whoever he is, he's HOT.

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April | October 11, 02:16 CET

Don't always believe IMDB - he might have been added to the cast of the show and they added him to the episodes from there. I will check the credits. However, he character has been mentioned in the last couple of episodes, so they may have chalked it up thinking it was an actual appearance.

RavenU | October 11, 02:17 CET

Haven't seen this, but I'm happy for those who do.

I finally figured out how to turn a word into a link! I'm proud.

That's nuthin'. I can turn sausage into a link.

where she takes lover boy for a ride and shows him what she can do

Ravenu, you've been reading too much Playboy. Boys are not cars. But wasn't there a Whoopi Goldberg movie called "Riding on Cars Like Boys"?

jaynelovesvera | October 11, 02:22 CET

RavenU: "From last nights episode, he is married to the stipper with the murder streak.

Of course. *slaps forehead* Duh! Of course, he is going to be that character.

The morgue scene? We both jumped about a foot and made loud yuuck sounds. Extremely startling...

QuoterGal | October 11, 02:22 CET

It's so subtle, but I love the effects at the end in the morgue scene when very, very subtly, color is put back in her face when she wakes up.

YellowBear | October 11, 02:26 CET

Good call, RavenU. So his character has been talked about, but not yet seen. Yeah, imdb is off.

I like the show. Hiro is easily my favorite (with the prof's son easily my least favorite). I also like Hiro's subtitles being shown kind of comic book bubble style, not at the bottom. Once in a while I kind of miss a line, but I think it's a cool visual dynamic.

jam2 | October 11, 02:34 CET

Oh, jaynelovesvera, I know you.¹ (G.O.R.) You in your trouble-makin' mood, ain't ya?

Have mercy on all of us...

*Quickly casts a ring of charms, potions and spells around her.*

¹ Well, I don't, really, but for the purposes of this post, let's pretend I do...

QuoterGal | October 11, 02:37 CET

The morgue scene:
Sure as hell hope for her sake she's not an organ donor. :-)

And Leonard Roberts could of course be both the guy in the bar and Niki's husband.

Niels | October 11, 02:45 CET

And by the way, speaking of Hiro--please tell me I'm not the only one who, when he mention X-Men #143, thought, "Aaah, Days of Future Past. Good taste." :-)

Niels | October 11, 02:49 CET

I am going to go out on the proverbial limb and say this is the best show to hit the tube since Mr. Whedon left the building. :-)

Also, people wanting to know more about "Heroes" should check out this week's TV Guide (the one with the ubiquitous Marcia Cross on the cover) - they have a good piece on all the characters and their powers (including some serious spoilers, so bewareth!)

OzLady | October 11, 03:03 CET

Hiro is my hero! I love his geeky exuberance. I'm also thrilled that Greg Grunberg is in this show, as well as Adrian Pasdar. All the characters have been interesting and I think this will be a great ensemble show where I won't mind who the featured character is week to week because they're all cool.

Saturn Girl | October 11, 03:09 CET

Glad to hear about the pickup - I'm another fan of this one. The concept has been done before (anyone read the "Aces" series edited by George R.R. Martin?). But this is being done well, so far.

And no, I haven't seen Leonard Roberts in it yet. I'll rewatch last night on the DVR, but I didn't think he was the guy in the bar.

Kyrax | October 11, 03:14 CET

Oh, jaynelovesvera, I know you.1 (G.O.R.) You in your trouble-makin' mood, ain't ya?

Little known fact: Marvin Gaye, jealous of Curtis Mayfield's highly successful "Superfly" soundtrack, which was loosely based on my life, tried to emulate that success by writing the "Trouble Man" soundtrack about me. It was not as successful as "Superfly", so Marvin rather unfairly blamed me and cut off our friendship. Contrary to popular belief, however, I was not the inspiration for his later masterwork "Sexual Healing".

please tell me I'm not the only one who, when he mention X-Men #143, thought, "Aaah, Days of Future Past. Good taste." :-)

Sorry, Telltale, I didn't. But when he mentioned the Moody Blues I did think of "Days of Future Past".

OzLady, Marcia Cross should be on Heroes. Being everywhere at once would be a handy superpower for a hero.

jaynelovesvera | October 11, 03:28 CET

You gots ta love a show that uses a comic book to guide the heroes to their destiny. ;-)

Anything I said about last week's ep being a little slow -- well, OK, that one was a little slow, but last night's totally unbelievably made up for it. I think they discovered the trick -- you don't have to show every damn character every damn ep. That's what slowed down the previous ep, IMO. OK, so last night (Monday in the US) we only saw the stripper for a second, and that was on Hiro's friend's iPod. Perfect. Kept things moving by focusing on the characters who were doing stuff, yo.

And that ending? Holy frakkin' frak! Yeah, gotta admit, I'm looking forward to seeing the joy ride from hell, too, RavenU. That boy needs to be taught some manners, yo. *pounds fist into palm in a threatening way* ;-)

billz | October 11, 03:51 CET

Most of Heroes is still dragging a bit for me, no doubt due to my ADD. But I'm loving Hiro and his comic book and his schlubby friend so much that I'm definitely hooked now.

dreamlogic | October 11, 03:54 CET

The guy in the bar, his head was more round, Leonard head is more of an oval. I think the bar guy is Skylar, the one the cop guy shot. Anybody else freaked out by what powers he might possessed. Oh and anything that gets Adrian Passdar on my TV again, I'm going to watch it. At least I watch this with the sound on.

RavenU | October 11, 03:54 CET

I was just talking about "Heroes"," because Ali Larter is from this area. I remember her as a teenager. Now Leonard Roberts plays her significant 'nother! Cool!

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Nebula1400 | October 11, 04:00 CET

The guy in the bar, his head was more round, Leonard head is more of an oval. I think the bar guy is Skylar, the one the cop guy shot.

I meant to agree with you above that surely wasn't our Forrest in the bar. I thought I recognized the actor in the bar but I still can't place from where. I hadn't thought about him being Skyler, though he was obviously set up to be a bad guy.

[ edited by dreamlogic on 2006-10-11 05:44 ]

dreamlogic | October 11, 04:09 CET

Hmmm... I watched an episode of heroes last week and honestly wasn't impressed. It all seemed a little too cliched and badly written to me. Based on the consensus here however, I think I'm going to have to give it another shot.

20 Joss fanatics in a room together can't all be wrong at once!

Resolute | October 11, 04:12 CET

I had kinda decided last night to give up on Heroes. There is some stuff I like but when I found myself not remembereing certain characters, and how they knew each other I realized maybe I'm just not that interested.

But maybe its just that there are too many characters. There are so many that I am having a hard time caring or even remembering a lot of them. Although I guess that has worked for Lost, which I don't watch so maybe thats what the creators are going for.

I like the cheerleader, but ewwww.
I liked the cop's story last night.
I previously liked the flying brothers but they kind of lost me last night.
I don't like the neighbor of Mohinder, either she isn't much of an actress or she is the bad guy. She sounds false to me. But maybe she is supposed to.
I can never get interested in mirror mom. Not sure why.

The artist is hot. Mohinder is hot. Don't know if that is enough.

Xane | October 11, 04:19 CET

Am I a sick and twisted individual for finding the morgue scene histerically funny? I think everyone loves Hiro, and his friend, the best, although I am very found of the psychic cop too. I'm definitely onboard with this show and I'm thrilled that the network is going to let it run a full season.

embers | October 11, 04:24 CET

I've really enjoyed Heros so far. I like that the show has just dumped us into the middle of everything that's going on, trusting that we, the viewers are smart enough to keep up. Although, that's a little more challenging for me, since my bunny ears don't pick up NBC very well. Any of the dark scenes are really tough for me to make out much detail. But that aside, I'm very much intrigued with the characters. Love Hiro, like the professor's son, like the cheerleader's friend who's freaked about losing the video and the cute guy who can't quite fly...not going to apologize for enjoying watching him.

The one thing that does bug me though is that it's on right before Studio 60. I tape both and usually watch them back to back. The shows are so very different in tone and pacing that I almost have pause the VCR (yes, I am living squarely in the 80's, why do you ask?) and shake my head to realign everything into Studio 60 mode. Not that I'm complaining, cause it does make for easier taping set-up, but it's just an odd combination. And it seems that the game show with the suitcases (Deal or No Deal maybe? I've only seen the last minute or three in fast forward) is an odd lead in. But, if it works for NBC, I'm good with it.

gt0163c | October 11, 04:25 CET

embers, if you're a sick and twisted individual, so am I. I did have to laugh. Though, I also had to say, "Who the heck calls for an autopsy in a case like that? It's pretty obvious how she died!"

I want to be Hiro when I grow up.

kishi | October 11, 04:48 CET

I laughed at the morgue scene, too. I also wondered, though, why they opened her up when there was a big frikkin log in her neck.

Still, I love that the fate of the world depends on a Trekkie with a comic book.

Nebula1400 | October 11, 06:19 CET

I am going to go out on the proverbial limb and say this is the best show to hit the tube since Mr. Whedon left the building.

I seriously love this show, and will continue to watch it (and pimp it whenever I can). But I'd have to say Battlestar Galactica wins the prize for best show since Whedon.

Haunt | October 11, 06:22 CET

There're several Whedon connections for Heroes, including Clea DuVall and Jeph Loeb.

k8cre8 | October 11, 07:34 CET

I'm also loving this show but I totally agree with Haunt that BSG is the best show on tv since Joss left the building!

I also got a kick out of that final scene and also wondered why the heck they'd do an autopsy on her like that one but maybe daddy dearest was behind it. And who pulled the stick out of her neck?? It couldn't have been her because she was clearly dead (and that was a neat trick seeing the life come back into her). I did love her reaction too when she looked down and saw what happened.

And is Clea DuVall a regular as well?

Firefly Flanatic | October 11, 07:57 CET

embers and kishi...I totally laughed too. That was good writing. Nebula, maybe her dad was behind it?? Don't know.

I like the mirror mom/stripper character's kid. Very rarely do you get good child actors, and he is really great. Hiro rules and Jess, I mean Peter, is hot ( a little whiny though). So great to see THE Greg Grunberg again. Weird to not see him cracking jokes though. Loved the scene where the bad dude forced the cop to almost shoot herself. Yikes.

In my family we give everything a letter grade (weird family traditions) so the acting gets a B+, the writing gets a B, and the directing gets an A-. I'll keep tuning in.

Harmalicious | October 11, 07:58 CET

The one thing that does bug me though is that it's on right before Studio 60. I tape both and usually watch them back to back. The shows are so very different in tone and pacing that I almost have pause the VCR (yes, I am living squarely in the 80's, why do you ask?) and shake my head to realign everything into Studio 60 mode.

GT0163c, I have to totally agree with you on this. I too have a hard time setting my mind to Studio after watching Heroes.

Firefly Flanatic | October 11, 08:02 CET

embers, if you're a sick and twisted individual, so am I. I did have to laugh. Though, I also had to say, "Who the heck calls for an autopsy in a case like that? It's pretty obvious how she died!"

however, you're assuming that it's a city/hospital morgue or something, and not something related to the shadow organization that her father is involved in. *They* might be interested in what's happening through her whole body, regardless of the log in her neck.

Thes.

[ edited by thespian on 2006-10-11 06:31 ]

thespian | October 11, 08:31 CET

"Heroes" has definetely become my favorite new show from this season.

I still feel the same thing from when I watched the pilot the first time, that the show takes itself a little bit too seriously.
But it has a better flow narratively than other new shows that I tried out.

I loved the "Studio 60" pilot, but since then, though Aaron Sorkin do write great dialogue, it just seems lost and to self centered. And although I'm still watching Vanished, which I tried out for some reason that I can't recall right now. And everytime I see Rebecca Gayheart on screen, I'm just delighted that she never worked as Inara, and thankful that we got Morena. Thank Joss.

Back on Heroes, I'm quite interested on their plot x character saga narrative, but the show deserved better dialogue writing.

Am I the only one who smirked, imagining Clea Duvall's character facing some person with invisibility abilities in this show.

Numfar PTB | October 11, 13:31 CET

Oh, good point, Numfar PTB! I keep thinking of Ms. Duvall from Carnivale (which also makes it ironic for her to face a character who is psychic, heh), and forgot about her Buffy role.

billz | October 11, 14:07 CET

Was anyone else reminded of Invisible Girl when the cop heard the lady at the bar wonder if anyone would notice her if she just disappeared? Was that a subtle Buffy shoutout or am I reaching? After all, Clea is in the same episode.

I recently became a fan of Veronica Mars, and if I had to choose the better episode between this week's Heroes and VM, Heroes wins hands down. While I agree BSG is the best new show since Joss left the airwaves, Heroes is definitely the best new show of this season, imho.

April | October 11, 17:15 CET

Regarding the autopsy question. I think that any unattended death, unless a doctor has put someone on a coroner's list, must be autopsied. (The list is for folks under a doctor's care where death is imminent.)

I can't see football boy sticking around, and while the stick may have been what "killed" her, something else may have been what caused her to fall on the stick. In this case football boy, but she could've been drunk and tripped, or, or,or.

Anywhoo - loving this show, but I'm not calling it anywhere near the best PJW.

Znachki | October 11, 20:12 CET

Back on Heroes, I'm quite interested on their plot x character saga narrative, but the show deserved better dialogue writing.

I'm wondering how much Bryan Fuller is contributing (or will contribute). He seems to be pretty good at dialogue. Or they need to get David Greenwalt or Jane Espenson in there. The shows they work on always seem to have great dialogue. (I do love the dialogue between Hiro and Ando, though. Always very funny.)

Nebula1400 | October 11, 20:33 CET

Firefly Flanatic So far, Clea DuVall has been in 2 of the first three episodes, and appears to be fairly regular, not in the main cast list, and IMDB hasn't even credited her for the episodes she's been in to date. Honestly, she's been on more than Leonard Roberts, who has mostly been refered to, and I'm not positive he's even been seen yet.

April I wondered the same thing, honestly. Who knows if it was deliberate, but, it amused me....

Numfar PTB I agree the dialog needs help. I think it's part of why I'm getting impatient with them to move the plot forward. The VO narration is on the pretentious side, and if the dialog were better, I'd not notice that we've still gotten next to nowhere on moving the plot. In fact, I'd say the best dialog is the subtitles for the Japanese. It's almost the only dialog that's sounded good, and that has caused more than one chuckle.

Add another vote in the "BSG is the best show since Whedonesque-TV left." There are a few other good shows, but, BSG towers over them all.

Personally, my vote for the best new show of the season is "The Nine." Heroes is enjoyable, and I'll be watching it regularly, but, "The Nine," is better.

k8cre8 | October 11, 20:39 CET

This is my tip-top favorite new show of the season and it has yet to disappoint. I love the build up and weaving of the characters -- and the fact that I can still be surprised by plot twists. *grin*

A solid full season? Happy day!

Love's Bitch | October 11, 20:42 CET

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